Discussion: Do Gaga and Beyonce do too much referencing? - Page 6

Beyond Say

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Originally posted by FatShady

At the end of the day Beyonce does a lot of funk. He most successful single is funk influence. B'day is funk influenced, 4 is funk influenced. Her costumes are also heavily influenced by Diana Ross and Tina Turner. Yes she does stuff like add rappers and whatever the hell you mentioned above. Fact remains that she's taking something already successful and another artist's hard work and accomplishments and recycling them.

Imagine if Rihanna did her own slightly different version of Single Ladies because she loves Beyonce so much, now imagine her doing that on 4/7 of her albums. Or imagine Britney wearing a loaf of bread dress.

I think paying homages is cool, Rihanna has covered Bob Marley, Don't Stop The Music and Nobodies Business has MJ influences.

Take away the funk, Tina and Diana Ross influences in Beyonce what do you have left?

Diana Ross and Tina Turner used to be on the top40 all the time, in fact at one time she was in the Guinness Book World Record as having the most top 10s. She never wrote songs but she was a pioneer in a sound that continue to influence people today. Britney has had a lot of influence on this generation and Rihanna's influence can be seen in a lot of young artists today.

You're a bit special.

I'm convinced you're trolling.

FatShady

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Originally posted by Ascension

Like, I was all prepped to type a long winded response explaining why Bey is musically nothing like Tina or Diana, but, I can't even bother myself to even dignify that **** with a legit response.

In what ****ing world does anything on B'Day sound like ANYTHING Diana Ross/The Supremes recorded? Sheer idiocy.

Please, please point me to Diana's Ring The Alarm or Get Me Bodied or Freakum Dress. PLEASE. I need this laugh tonight.

You're focusing too much on the lyrical content I'm talking about the sound. She herself said that Dreamgirls was the inspiration. Its not just Diana Ross its the Motown/Funk sound. I just associate it with Diana because she's the pioneer of that sound to me. I also say Diana Ross because:

If you still don't see the influences then idk lol.

Ascension

She said that Dreamgirls was the inspiration because she was tired of doing the soft/dainty Deena (see DIANA) thing and she wanted to break out and sing loud and sassy against fast hard beats, so in what world does that translate to being Dreamgirls influenced considering her role in that movie? You need to just quit while you're behind because you're making less and less sense with each post.

FatShady

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Originally posted by Beyond Say

You're a bit special.

I'm convinced you're trolling.

Was Tina Turner trolling?

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“She was one of the ones that were sitting in front of her little television, her little self looking at the big screen when I was Tina in the Ike and Tina Turner days and she took from all the stars at that time.
“Diana Ross influenced her, I influenced her. What I like about her is that she knows what she is doing, she really did her homework and decided to stay elegant.
“She’s not rock ‘n’ roll – she’s totally elegant. Unless you’re rock ‘n’ roll from the heart you can’t mimic that. The stance, the movements, it has to come from the inside.”

Ascension

And what Tina basically said was that Beyonce although she was influenced by and studied the greats, she stayed true to herself. She's basically saying that Bey is different from her in spite of those influences and smart not to have tried to mimic her Rock'N'Roll style because it would ring inauthentic if she did.

Keep digging that hole tho.

FatShady

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Originally posted by Ascension

And what Tina basically said was that Beyonce although she was influenced by and studied the greats, she stayed true to herself. She's basically saying that Bey is different from her in spite of those influences and smart not to have tried to mimic her Rock'N'Roll style because it would ring inauthentic if she did.

Keep digging that hole tho.

Yeah..I don't think thats what she's saying.

Ascension

Then what do you think she's saying as you're trying to prove why you think Beyonce is no more than a Diana/Tina hybrid tribute while using a quote from Tina herself discussing how Beyonce is different from her in spite of the fact that she's influenced her? Please, by all means, expound.

Latch

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Originally posted by FatShady

You're focusing too much on the lyrical content I'm talking about the sound. She herself said that Dreamgirls was the inspiration. Its not just Diana Ross its the Motown/Funk sound. I just associate it with Diana because she's the pioneer of that sound to me. I also say Diana Ross because:

If you still don't see the influences then idk lol.

We still don't see the influence because it's not there, sis.

You were just talking about how her albums were Diana Ross inspired,
but the Hive came in and clocked you and showed you that only a small patch of her image was if anything...

Now you're using tour pictures and Dreamgirls screencaps to justify how B'Day was somehow a Diana tribute album?

Make up your mind.

The only things Bey ever did that can be seen as Diana inspired are Dreamgirls and the blue bodysuit from The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour.

B'Day has heavy 70s/80s funk influences.

Nothing about that is Motown or Diana Ross.

Nothing about that says Holland-Dozier-Holland or The Funk Brothers.
Nothing about that says disco or early 80s pop.

You kids scroll through these blog comments and read the first paragraph of a Wikipedia page and walk away thinking you're an expert. If you wanna try and drag Bey then at least make a better attempt to know what the hell you're talking about.

FatShady

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Originally posted by Latch

We still don't see the influence because it's not there, sis.

You were just talking about how her albums were Diana Ross inspired,
but the Hive came in and clocked you and showed you that only a small patch of her image was if anything...

Now you're using tour pictures and Dreamgirls screencaps to justify how B'Day was somehow a Diana tribute album?

Make up your mind.

The only things Bey ever did that can be seen as Diana inspired are Dreamgirls and the blue bodysuit from The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour.

B'Day has heavy 70s/80s funk influences.

Nothing about that is Motown or Diana Ross.

Nothing about that says Holland-Dozier-Holland or The Funk Brothers.
Nothing about that says disco or early 80s pop.

You kids scroll through these blog comments and read the first paragraph of a Wikipedia page and walk away thinking you're an expert. If you wanna try and drag Bey then at least make a better attempt to know what the hell you're talking about.

I don't know what Holland Dozing Brothers is but whether you want to acknowledge it or not Tina and Diana are the blueprint of every single thing Beyonce has done in her career. The hair, the sound, the costumes. Pick it apart, trivialise it, play down the influence... whatever. Even a casual music fan can tell you.

Or Tina Turner

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"Diana Ross influenced her, I influenced her. What I like about her is that she knows what she's doing, she really did her homework and decided to stay elegant.
"She's not rock 'n' roll - she's totally elegant. Unless your rock 'n' roll from the heart you can't mimic that. The stance, the movements, it has to come from the inside."

Latch

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Originally posted by FatShady

I don't know what Holland Dozing Brothers is

Even you know that you have no clue what you're talking about.
LOL.

FatShady

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Originally posted by Latch

Even you know that you have no clue what you're talking about.
LOL.

I know what I'm talking about I just don't know what you're talking about. Regardless of who Holland-Destiny-Hyundai are fact remains that a significant chunk of Beyonce's image/sound is in reference to another artist. We may disagree on who but we can agree that its not hers.

Ressti

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Originally posted by FatShady

All of B'day/4 is pure Diana Ross. Crazy in Love is obviously from the funk/horns whatever R&B era in the 80's. Her entire performance image is Tina Turner. The moves/the clothes.
The only album that sounds like Beyonce and that I can say she's not taken too much from other artists is IASF.

Name me 1 album of Diana Ross', wait let me make it easy for ya. Name me 1 song by Diana Ross that influenced for instance Upgrade U or Suga Mama.... I'll wait...

The whole reason Beyoncé did an aggressive album like B'Day is because she wanted to shed that Diana Ross-like softness she had to adopt for Dreamgirls.

The rest of your post... mess
"Crazy in Love funk/horns whatever" The horn sample doesn't make the song funk, it's actually a Soul sample. What makes CIL funk is the go go.

Funk R&B era in the 80's? I didn't know the Chi-lites released "Are You My Woman" in the 80's. I didn't know Tina Turner did J-Setting and Jazz dancing either. lol Have you ever seen a Tina Turner performance? Motown didn't have a funk sound. Motown was known for it's soulful pop songs, not for funk. And hun, Donna Summer doesn't do songs like Schoolin' Life. That song is obviously more influenced by Prince. Two very different artists.

Ressti

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Originally posted by FatShady

I know what I'm talking about I just don't know what you're talking about. Regardless of who Holland-Destiny-Hyundai are fact remains that a significant chunk of Beyonce's image/sound is in reference to another artist. We may disagree on who but we can agree that its not hers.

To several actually...

And yet none of them ever recorded a song like this

or this

6_INCH_HEELS

LOL. Well drag then, Hive.

He probably doesn't even know a Diana Ross song.

FatShady

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Originally posted by Ressti

To several actually...

And yet none of them ever recorded a song like this

or this

So we agree she references a lot.

N Lezbehonest funk/disco/soul/motown/all 80's black music are the same, they're just different tempo.

Desert Rain

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Originally posted by FatShady

So we agree she references a lot.

N Lezbehonest funk/disco/soul/motown/all 80's black music are the same, they're just different tempo.

THE IGNORANCE.
ALL 80S BLACK MUSIC IS THE SAME?
Now I am not huge on my 80's black music but BYE.
Prince =/= Donna Summer =/= Whitney =/= En Vouge =/= Patti Labelle =/= Tina Turner =/= James Brown.

Latch

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Originally posted by FatShady

I know what I'm talking about I just don't know what you're talking about. Regardless of who Holland-Destiny-Hyundai are fact remains that a significant chunk of Beyonce's image/sound is in reference to another artist. We may disagree on who but we can agree that its not hers.

We can agree that you're making a complete fool of yourself.

But, drag a bit, sis

Ressti

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Originally posted by FatShady

So we agree she references a lot.

N Lezbehonest funk/disco/soul/motown/all 80's black music are the same, they're just different tempo.

I'm embaressed for you.

Ascension

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Originally posted by FatShady

So we agree she references a lot.

N Lezbehonest funk/disco/soul/motown/all 80's black music are the same, they're just different tempo.

Your ignorance knows no bounds, apparently. People like you are the ones that make it incredibly difficult to take pop music fans seriously when it comes to any sort of discussion that extends outside of pre-90s mainstream pop acts.

Please, just STOP.

FatShady

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Originally posted by Ressti

I'm embaressed for you.

Beyembarrassed* for your spelling and worried about what else your fave can make without recycling trends.