Originally posted by RaeseanLohan Actually, Lorde seems to be the one confused on what feminism is.

The picture they chose

Then, what was she getting at?

Originally posted by RaeseanLohan Lorde was basically saying "How dare you let a male do what he wants with you." I don't know why you're trying to defend her moronic statements

Originally posted by MWB Then, what was she getting at?

That’s not feminism. [Lorde is] not supporting other women

Originally posted by Fruity Yes. Exactly. A completely legitimate thing to say. And completely different from how you tried to portray it in the last post.

I said Selena was letting the guy do what he wants right? How exactly is that anti-feminist thing? If a woman wants to be submissive during sex, why can't she be?

Originally posted by Sazare Not in the slightest. Selena seems to think that being a feminist means not calling out a woman for anything

Originally posted by Sazare I swear to god if these people are going to try to come for Lorde they've got to have better drags than that. I actually prefer Selena over Lorde but her shade is weaker than "Slow Down"'s digital sales. This is on par with Taylor's claim that "there's a special place in hell for women who don't defend other women." In the words of the good sis Erin Burnett, "women helping women just because they're women is pretty sexist too." Being a woman doesn't exempt Selena from being anti-feminist and it certainly doesn't exempt her from being called out on it, either.

Originally posted by HandsOn And Lorde thinks telling other women not to be submissive to a man (in bed, mind you!) is being a feminist. They both need to stop.

ATRL picking sides and all acting like they know what they're talking about. You guys act like Selena just said this today whenever in reality it was the same time as before.

Apparently everyone has their own opinion on what's feminism
and what's not. And Lorde could've picked a much better example for this other than C&GI.
In my opinion Lorde didn't like Selena covering her song and said this feminism crap to get
Selena to stop, Lorde should've just said something to her about it instead of going around the bush and being a coward. Why is Lorde complaining about the song if it's on her iPod?

Originally posted by Moonage Daydream Selena as well as the majority of this forum have no room to criticize Lorde's feminism when they've clearly displayed a much greater lack of understanding about feminism themselves. If Selena explained and defended her song's message then called out Lorde for misinterpreting it and being so quick to publicly react, that would be a drag. Instead all she did was make herself look very ignorant.

All day all night I’ll be waitin’ standby

When you're ready come and get it (x2) Na na na (x3) When you're re-e-a-dy (x2) When you're ready come and get it Na na na (x3) You ain’t gotta worry it’s an open invitation I’ll be sittin’ right here real patient All day all night I’ll be waitin’ standby Can’t stop because I love it, hate the way I love you All day all night maybe I’m addicted for life, no lie. I’m not too shy to show I love you, I got no regrets. I love you much to, much to hide you, this love ain’t finished yet. This love ain’t finished yet… So baby whenever you’re ready… [chorus] When you're ready come and get it (x2) Na na na (x3) When you're re-e-a-dy (x2) When you're ready come and get it Na na na (x3) You got the kind of love that I want, let me get that. And baby once I get it I’m yours no take backs. I’m gon’ love you for life I ain’t leaving your side Even if you knock it ain’t no way to stop it Forever you’re mine baby I’m addicted no lie, no lie I’m not too shy to show I love you, I got no regrets. So baby whenever you’re ready….. [chorus] When you're ready come and get it (x2) Na na na (x3) When you're re-e-a-dy (x2) When you're ready come and get it Na na na (x3) This love will be the death of me, but I know I’ll die happily I’ll know I’ll know I’ll know Because you love me so…Yeah! [chorus] When you ready come and get it Na na na (x3) When you're re-e-a-dy (x2) When you're ready come and get it Na na na (x3)

'I actually covered her song in all of my shows that I’ve done so far. I’m not sure if I’m going to continue that.'

Originally posted by supaspaz Can someone please explain to her what feminism is?

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.[3] Feminist theory, which emerged from these feminist movements, aims to understand the nature of gender inequality by examining women's social roles and lived experience; it has developed theories in a variety of disciplines in order to respond to issues such as the social construction of sex and gender.[4][5] Some of the earlier forms of feminism have been criticized for taking into account only white, middle-class, educated perspectives. This led to the creation of ethnically specific or multiculturalist forms of feminism.[6] Feminist activists campaign for women's rights – such as in contract law, property, and voting – while also promoting bodily integrity, autonomy, and reproductive rights for women. Feminist campaigns have changed societies, particularly in the West, by achieving women's suffrage, gender neutrality in English, equal pay for women, reproductive rights for women (including access to contraceptives and abortion), and the right to enter into contracts and own property.[7][8] Feminists have worked to protect women and girls from domestic violence, sexual harassment, and sexual assault.[9][10][11] They have also advocated for workplace rights, including maternity leave, and against forms of discrimination against women.[7][8][12] Feminism is mainly focused on women's issues, but because feminism seeks gender equality, bell hooks and other feminists have argued that men's liberation is a necessary part of feminism, and that men are also harmed by sexism and gender roles

Feminist theory is the extension of feminism into theoretical or philosophical fields. It encompasses work in a variety of disciplines, including anthropology, sociology, economics, women's studies, literary criticism,[14][15] art history,[16] psychoanalysis[17] and philosophy.[18][19] Feminist theory aims to understand gender inequality and focuses on gender politics, power relations, and sexuality. While providing a critique of these social and political relations, much of feminist theory also focuses on the promotion of women's rights and interests. Themes explored in feminist theory include discrimination, stereotyping, objectification (especially sexual objectification), oppression, and patriarchy.[4][5] In the field of literary criticism, Elaine Showalter describes the development of feminist theory as having three phases. The first she calls "feminist critique", in which the feminist reader examines the ideologies behind literary phenomena. The second Showalter calls "gynocriticism", in which the "woman is producer of textual meaning". The last phase she calls "gender theory", in which the "ideological inscription and the literary effects of the sex/gender system are explored".[20] This was paralleled in the 1970s by French feminists, who developed the concept of écriture féminine (which translates as 'female or feminine writing').[21] Helene Cixous argues that writing and philosophy are phallocentric and along with other French feminists such as Luce Irigaray emphasize "writing from the body" as a subversive exercise.[21] The work of Julia Kristeva, a feminist psychoanalyst and philosopher, has influenced feminist theory in general and feminist literary criticism in particular. However, as the scholar Elizabeth Wright points out, "none of these French feminists align themselves with the feminist movement as it appeared in the Anglophone world