Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction

Originally posted by Party And Bull

This has to be the most ignorant post I've ever read on ATRL.
Congrats.

Originally posted by swissman

I typed up a bunch of reasons why she isn't a major pop girl, but I couldn't find a good way of putting it. This sums it up. She's not a major pop girl because a major part of her career and success was from Hannah Montana. True, it was her performing it, but that empire was basically all handed to her by Disney. And although it was super successful, it had no impact beyond the kids and parents who watched her show.

She needs more than just this era to be considered a major pop girl. Especially since right now I can't imagine that she'd have nearly as much successful if she did everything exactly the same but without the controversy. And while major pop girls use controversy, it's the music that shines through for the most part. Teenage Dream was one of the most vanilla eras ever but it still slayed the charts - because Katy is a major pop girl (and also because it was easily digestible).

Originally posted by pika

Rihanna used Chris in We Found Love and Unapologetic. Gaga used costumes, Katy used Dr. Luke. Nobody is big on their own. Everyone has a gimmick or some type of help attached to them that makes them huge. That's why some popstars take off and others don't. Miley having Disney help her become a superstar is no different than the reasons I listed above.

And yes, comparing MOTS to CBT is perfectly understandable. Whether they were both released at different times in their career doesn't matter. They flopped. EVERY pop star goes through a dry period in their career, no matter when it happens. Katy and Gaga's flop eras are coming, but that won't mean they aren't top tier girls. Whether they can rebound is the question to their power and whether if they deserve that kind of title (and Miley has). Miley was consistent with her success for 4 years straight until CBT, but rebounded quickly. If she's reaching her peak 7 years into her career after already scoring multi-platinum albums, huge movies, big single sales, an insane networth and a numerous amount of records, she's clearly doing something right.

No pop girl's future success can be determined. Rihanna could flop next era, Katy could flop next era, Gaga could flop next era. Does that mean they aren't big pop girls? No. You all are just gonna keep saying "wait till this happens" "wait till those numbers come in" "wait till she does this" "but you have to wait till this is released" until you're satisfied. Miley's proven herself to at least keep up with the major pop girls now, numbers don't lie and your ~we have to wait~ argument isn't cutting it.

Originally posted by swissman

I'm not tossing out her achievements. She has done amazing things. But let's not try to act like being Hannah Montana is anything like being a major pop girl. It's not to say that she was guaranteed success, but the chances of her pleasing a very young audience who would like mostly anything, with the backing power and planning of Disney was very high. If not her, it could have been any of the other girls considered (Taylor Momsen, JoJo, etc.) Thus, while she has huge achievements as Hannah, it's not really Miley at all.

And we could review the facts:

Hanna Montana albums - Sold well but are not memorable aside from the people who watched it. It made no impact outside of that.
Meet Miley Cyrus (2007) - It sold a lot but is not remembered at all aside from Miley fans
Breakout (2008) - Sold well but not as much as her first and also nothing is remembered from it aside from Miley fans
Can't Be Tamed (2010) - Did not sell well, nothing is remembered aside from Miley fans
Bangerz (2013) - It is doing very well and she is getting LOTS of media and chances are her current singles will be remembered

Does this look like the career trajectory of a MAJOR pop girl? Not really. So no, one "flop" doesn't bring down a pop girl, but to act like one successful era on the back of some mediocre-to-flop ones, even if you were the biggest child star is not a valid, in my opinion. Of course, it all comes down to your definition of a major pop girl. Does it mean a big celebrity making pop music? Then YES she's one. Does it' mean a pop dynamo that commands attention more than they seek it? Then not really.

Originally posted by minxie

She'll surpass the single week digital sales of all the solo pop girls par Taylor and Katy so...! But then again she is just a fad and seeing the peak of her career nearly 8 years into it is a fluke, so!