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Discussion: Serious Topics Thread [Been followed at a retail store?]
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Originally posted by SupahBass05
There are still a lot of racists in America though. It's just that more are calling out instances of racism that are a reach (like the Dunking Donuts ad) versus those that are obviously racist (Aaryn from BB15). I have to say that that ATRL is a very sensitive place to discuss anything racial. I come from a liberal city and university and have never seen such reactions as those here.
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Hmm. I would argue that it's more along the lines of classism/elitism than pure racism though. When you ask people who say they dislike or fear black people or hispanics for this or that reason, they'll give you (in their minds) thought-out reasons, as opposed to just not liking their skin colors/ethnicity (which is what i think of racism as). Still, stereotyping/ignorance is not a pretty shade on anyone.
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Originally posted by Abyss
That's 10,000 too many, but I'd imagine there's much more racist people in America than that to be honest. Some people are particularly racist behind doors where no one can see or hear them, but act all sweet and PC in public.
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That's true.
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This is a post i made in popoverdose when there was controversy over G-Dragons face mask.
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Long post but here we go.
I personally found no issue with GD in the facial mask but i think he wasn't thinking too much in that it would cause controversy.
And about the one post here saying how he worked with black people, this is true but that doesn't make one not racist (not saying he is just making a point and using him as an example) you can still work with and date someone who is an opposite race from yourself and still think they are beneath you.
And while i agree with Soshi people are always going to see race especially here in the US.
Innocent black male civilians get stopped and frisked by the NYPD for no reason other than looking "suspicious". Its so much of a problem that they stopped their own off duty police chief.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz2adc8y4GH
Going to post this for some perspective on the issue of race in the united states.
demonstrations of that fact:
In 2002, a team of researchers at the University of Washington decided to take the defenses of the drug war seriously, by subjecting the arguments to empirical testing in a major study of drug-law enforcement in a racially mixed city - Seattle. The study found that, contrary to the prevailing "common sense," the high arrest rates of African Americans in drug-law enforcement could not be explained by rates of offending; nor could they be explained by other standard excuses, such as the ease and efficiency of policing open-air drug markets, citizen complaints, crime rates, or drug-related violence. The study also debunked the assumption that white drug dealers deal indoors, making their criminal activity more difficult to detect.
The authors found that it was untrue stereotypes about crack markets, crack dealers, and crack babies - not facts - that were driving discretionary decision making by the Seattle Police Department. The facts were as follows: Seattle residents were far more likely to report suspected narcotics activity in residences - not outdoors - but police devoted their resources to open-air drug markets and to the one precinct that was least likely to be identified as the site of suspected drug activity in citizen complaints. In fact, although hundreds of outdoor drug transactions were recorded in predominantly white areas of Seattle, police concentrated their drug enforcement efforts in one downtown drug market where the frequency of drug transactions was much lower. In racially mixed open-air drug markets, black dealers were far more likely to be arrested than whites, even though white dealers were present and visible. And the department focused overwhelmingly on crack - the one drug in Seattle more likely to be sold by African Americans - despite the fact that local hospital records indicated that overdose deaths involving heroin were more numerous than all overdose deaths for crack and powder cocaine combined. Local police acknowledged that no significant level of violence was associated with crack in Seattle and that other drugs were causing more hospitalizations, but steadfastly maintained that their deployment decisions were nondiscriminatory.
The study's authors concluded, based on their review and analysis of the empirical evidence, that the Seattle Police Department's decision to focus so heavily on crack, to the near exclusion of other drugs, and to concentrate its efforts on outdoor drug markets in downtown areas rather than drug markets located indoors or in predominantly white communities, reflect "a racialized conception of the drug problem." As the authors put it: "[The Seattle Police Department's] foucs on black and Latino individuals and on the drug most strongly associated with 'blackness' suggest that law enforcement policies and practices are predicated on the assumption that the drug problem is, in fact, a black and Latino one, and that crack, the drug most strongly associated with urban blacks, is 'the worst.' This racialized cultural script about who and what constitutes the drug problem renders illegal drug activity by whites invisible. "White people," the study's author's observed, "are simply not perceived as drug offenders by Seattle police officers.
And this is completely unsurprising because:
A survey was conducted in 1995 asking the following question: "Would you close your eyes, envision a drug user, and describe that person to me?" The startling results were published in the Journal of Alcohol and Drug Education. Ninety-five percent of respondents pictured a black drug user, while only 5 percent imagined other racial groups. These results contrasted sharply with the reality of drug crime in America. African Americans constituted only 15 percent of current drug users in 1995, and they constitute roughly the same percentage today. Whites constituted the vast majority of drug users then (and now), but almost no one pictured a white person when asked to imagine what a drug user looks like. The same group of respondents also perceived the typical drug trafficker as black.
There is no reason to believe that the survey results would have been any different if police officers or prosecutors - rather than the general public - had been the respondents. Law enforcement officials, no less than the rest of us, have been exposed to the racially charged political rhetoric and media imagery associated with the drug war. In fact, for nearly three decades news stories regarding virtually all street crime have disproportionately featured African American offenders. One study suggests that the standard crime news "script" is so prevalent and so thoroughly racialized that viewers imagine a black perpetrator even when none exists. In that study, 60 percent of viewers who saw a story with no image falsely recalled seeing one, and 70 percent of those viewers believed the perpetrator to be African American.
Decades of cognitive bias research demonstrates that both unconscious and conscious biases lead to discriminatory actions, even when an individual does not want to discriminate. The quotation commonly attributed to Nietzsche, that "there is no immaculate perception," perfectly captures how cognitive schemas - thought structures - influence what we notice and how the things we notice get interpreted. Studies have shown that racial schemas operate not only as a part of conscious, rational deliberations, but also automatically - without conscious awareness or intent. One study, for example, involved a video game that placed photographs of black and white individuals holding either a gun or other object (such as a wallet, soda can, or cell phone) into various photographic backgrounds. Participants were told to decide as quickly as possible whether to shoot the target. Consistent with earlier studies, participants were more likely to mistake a black target as armed when he was not, and mistake a white target as unarmed, when in fact he was armed. This pattern of discrimination reflected automatic, unconscious thought processes, not careful deliberations.
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America is a good country but let's not ignore reality, of course you're suddenly not going to get kidnapped and forced to build pyramids or pick cotton. However, you need to know that sometimes as a black person people might walk across the street from you, clutching their purse.
You need to know that sometimes, that guy who's had too many in a bar might use certain words to address you if you bump into him, or beat him at pool/darts and get a little too happy that you won. You need to know that you might be followed around a store even if you're wearing a suit. You need to know that you might get pulled over in a nice car if you're cruising too flashy in the suburbs.
You just need to know that the eyes that look at you perceive you differently, and more often you'd be at a disadvantage than other people who are farther along on the Pantone scale.
racism in America exists not just unspoken, but even between the lines of legislation in such a way that everything looks fine on paper but wrong in practice.
Today's racism isn't publically dudes in hoods burning crosses into lawns (even though this still happens) or people denying entry to people of color (even though this still happens). Today's racism is a series of deliberate coincidences. Today's racism is the "smart" white QB and the "athletic" black QB. Today's racism is more black men being imprisoned for drugs despite more non-black men having/using/selling/distributing them.
Todays racism is politicians telling a coincidentally majority black group of people to "leave the plantation" in a speech. Today's racism is subtle, but omnipresent for every person of color who is eternally aware of his place in America.
I won't have to worry about getting shot with a hose like in the 60s, but I know I am not going to get into that apartment complex even with 800 credit for "reasons".
So all in all race is very much an issue still in the states so some blacks are going to be antsy.
I am not mad at amber at all and i feel asking her to be removed from f(x) and boycotting is beyond ridiculous but i can see how some would be disappointed in her. I hate the term PC cause it implies that having respect for another race or sexual orientation is something that is forced when its something that should come naturally.
Do some go overboard when being "PC"? yes they do but in other cases calling something out is warranted just not here.
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Why did you do this, I Am Music? You know the girls speak out of their ass'.
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Racism is EVERYWHERE in the world. I heard it's almost worse in some European countries.
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Well what was the major argument in that thread? People were pissed at the cuts and others were attacking those that are on food stamps? I honestly think the system should be corrected if need be but obviously the food stamps are there to help people during hard times. As for college/debt/etc, pick a good major and stick with it. Or just don't go to college. Not worth the debt imo.
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Russia's the worst though to be honest. How my beautiful faves came from such an ignorant, bigoted country I'll never know. (No offence to any Russian's on here.).
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Originally posted by tittieslap
Racism is EVERYWHERE in the world. I heard it's almost worse in some European countries.
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it is entirely worse
do not believe the finger pointing. France passed laws to ban burqas, for crying out loud
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Looks like Round 2 is coming here....
Well we can't stop Hate, the best way to stop it is to ignore and focus on your positive future.
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Originally posted by MP2K
Why did you do this, I Am Music? You know the girls speak out of their ass'.
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gettin' that hit thread
and tbh, ATRL needs a place where there can be serious discussion without people getting a little too sensitive about every disagreement.
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Originally posted by Jmpgreen
My Best Friend Matt worked at one once when he was just starting college they treated him like a mule they were disrespectful and he also didnt make much money. I remember once i was shopping when he was working and his manager was making racial/ethnic slur's because he's latin.
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I would never recommend working there tbh.I hear the managers consistently nag you to come into work too. For someone who's getting through college, yeah it's good enough to get one by , but the salary they have is NOWHERE near livable.As a matter of fact Walmart workers are eligible for welfare.
And on the topic of Loan debt I absolutely HATE HATE HATE the idea of giving loans as part of student financial aid, it sets people up for a trap that could potentially DESTROY their credit if one is not careful.I also hate how scholarship websites lie and say there's a scholarship for everyone knowing damn well not everyone qualifies for scholarships.
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Originally posted by Igrt
I would never recommend working there tbh.I hear the managers consistently nag you to come into work too. For someone who's getting through college, yeah it's good enough to get one by , but the salary they have is NOWHERE near livable.As a matter of fact Walmart workers are eligible for welfare.
And on the topic of Loan debt I absolutely HATE HATE HATE the idea of giving loans as part of student financial aid, it sets people up for a trap that could potentially DESTROY their credit
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credit by itself is something i find disgusting.
I avoid having to use it, whenever possible. For the price I pay on my apartment, I could just finance a condo on a mortgage, but I hate the idea of more and more credit/debt.
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Originally posted by SupahBass05
Well what was the major argument in that thread? People were pissed at the cuts and others were attacking those that are on food stamps? I honestly think the system should be corrected if need be but obviously the food stamps are there to help people during hard times. As for college/debt/etc, pick a good major and stick with it. Or just don't go to college. Not worth the debt imo.
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If you can afford College, you should go, to be honest. It is the best time where you don't have to worry about any real world stuff, and you get to figure out what you want to do with this life you have. It's worth the debt, imo. (so long as it's not crippling debt)
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
credit by itself is something i find disgusting.
I avoid having to use it, whenever possible. For the price I pay on my apartment, I could just finance a condo on a mortgage, but I hate the idea of more and more credit/debt.
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I agree i despise the use of Credit
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Speaking of college those who are in the computer field do not go to ITT they're liars.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
credit by itself is something i find disgusting.
I avoid having to use it, whenever possible. For the price I pay on my apartment, I could just finance a condo on a mortgage, but I hate the idea of more and more credit/debt.
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I also hate the idea of credit as well.And the idea of Credit checks being used for jobs as simple as bagging groceries are ridiculous
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College can SMD tbh, I owe almost 15,000 in loans Just for one year basically. I had to transfer to a Community College so that Financial Aid can cover everything.
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Originally posted by I Am Music
Speaking of college those who are in the computer field do not go to ITT they're liars.
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why sounds like u have stories
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Originally posted by Igrt
I also hate the idea of credit as well.And the idea of Credit checks being used for jobs as simple as bagging groceries are ridiculous
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I have never heard of that before
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Originally posted by RiRi_Xtina15
College can SMD tbh, I owe almost 15,000 in loans Just for one year basically. I had to transfer to a Community College so that Financial Aid can cover everything.
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$15,000 isn't so bad. Middle class salary is like $5,000-$10,000 a month.
edit: didn't see the "one year" part
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Originally posted by Igrt
I also hate the idea of credit as well.And the idea of Credit checks being used for jobs as simple as bagging groceries are ridiculous
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Yes i hate how the government has pretty much made it a necessity to use credit.
In most cases you need credit to buy a house, rent an apartment or even to get a job
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