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News: CNN Anchor wants to bring back racist term
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Im saying:
Not all tigers will eat people. They would prefer a gazelle.
But the rare instances where tigers kill people leads to media frenzy.
Meaning we, the people who absorb media, assume tigers are dangerous to human beings.
Meaning the next time we see a tiger, we assume it will kill us.
Same with black men.
Not all black men, thieve, rob, or kill.
But the instances that they do are broadcast far and wide and repeated over and over.
meaning we, the people who absorb the media, assume black men are all dangerous and criminals.
meaning the next time we see a black man, we watch out
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How about we stop just mindlessly absorbing whatever is in the papers/Internet and assuming, and start thinking for ourselves. Cycle of hate ends. Done.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
I don't agree.
We we we who is we? I should not be held responsible for how someone I don't know acts. Another person shouldn't have to change themselves so I don't look bad. Of course it's a problem in our community, but that is NO excuse for an outsider looking in to assume that we are all the same. I don't dress/act/talk like a thug. Non-Blacks should not automatically assume that I do because some other Black people dress/act/talk like thugs. ****. It's THEIR fault that Black people are at educational and economic disadvantages and are reduced to being thugs anyway. 
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"We" as in individuals within the black community. True. You shouldn't be held responsible for how someone else acts, but that's the human condition. Psychologically, we tend to categorize and label like things for our convenience. It's a subconscious thing that translates into our everyday lives. Just think of why car insurance costs more for teenagers. Apparently, we're all a reckless bunch.
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Originally posted by Javan
Welp. If you didn't already know, white people and black people do drugs on the same rate, yet blacks more likely to be convicted by 4x. So people who go to prison for petty non-violent crime, come out extremely violent. The cycle continues.
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Ok. Good! That's definitely a valid point. So where do we stop the cycle?
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Im saying:
Not all tigers will eat people. They would prefer a gazelle.
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A tiger will eat what there is to eat if it's hungry. That is their nature. They are not considerate of our laws and culture
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
But the rare instances where tigers kill people leads to media frenzy.
Meaning we, the people who absorb media, assume tigers are dangerous to human beings.
Meaning the next time we see a tiger, we assume it will kill us.
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In rare instances because tigers don't roam free in the United States
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Same with black men.
Not all black men, thieve, rob, or kill.
But the instances that they do are broadcast far and wide and repeated over and over.
meaning we, the people who absorb the media, assume black men are all dangerous and criminals.
meaning the next time we see a black man, we watch out
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This is so backwards. It's like, we should be scared or suspicious of every white male in their mid twenties in schools and cinemas because they are the shown to be the guilty of public shootings in those areas all too often 
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Excuses.
I don't shuffle away from no Black people!
My life should not be endangered because of someone's uninformed perception of me. THUGS are scary. Fine! I admit that. BLACK PEOPLE are NOT ALL scary. Know that. Black people are NOT targeted because some look like thugs. They are targeted because they are BLACK. A change in attire or a dissociation with thugs will do NOTHING to stop a hate crime. If a racist wants to kill me, he will kill me and find a way to wiggle his way out of punishment.
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1) Excuses as in neuroscience?
2)Ok, maybe you don't. But if someone is smelly, is wearing raggedy clothes, and is sticking his dirty hand out for money, I am assuming he is homeless  I'm not going to ask or wonder whether he just chooses to be this way as an individual
3)Your life isn't endangered though  Trayvon Martin is one in 300 Million Americans  yes, there are people who might shoot you because you're black, but those numbers are extremely extremely tiny. Just look at homicide: black on black homicide is 93% of the total black homicide rate. What the real problem with perception is has nothing to do with safety, but with perpetuation of poverty and joblessness. And that, I agree, is incredibly wrong and stupid. And that's what Don Lemon is addressing. You won't get a job on Wall Street (unless you want to be a janitor) with grills and dressed in baggy shorts.
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
How about we stop just mindlessly absorbing whatever is in the papers/Internet and assuming, and start thinking for ourselves. Cycle of hate ends. Done.
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I agree. That's the solution. But do you honestly think we'll ever stop  I mean, we absorb every form of pop culture here, and know every beyonce hairflip or Keri Hilson disstrack. Most people are addicted in the same way to the News.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
"We" as in individuals within the black community. True. You shouldn't be held responsible for how someone else acts, but that's the human condition. Psychologically, we tend to categorize and label like things for our convenience. It's a subconscious thing that translates into our everyday lives. Just think of why car insurance costs more for teenagers. Apparently, we're all a reckless bunch.
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No, but you see teenagers actually ARE less sensible and responsible and experienced than adults. That's pretty much factual.  One generalization is rooted in the truth and one is not.
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Originally posted by Javan
This is so backwards. It's like, we should be scared or suspicious of every white male in their mid twenties in schools and cinemas because they are the shown to be the guilty of public shootings in those areas all too often 
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Only minorities as a group get blamed for the action of individuals.
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Originally posted by Javan
A tiger will eat what there is to eat if it's hungry. That is their nature. They are not considerate of our laws and culture
In rare instances because tigers don't roam free in the United States
This is so backwards. It's like, we should be scared or suspicious of every white male in their mid twenties in schools and cinemas because they are the shown to be the guilty of public shootings in those areas all too often 
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1) Ok...I'm just giving an example. You can insert Shark in there if you want.
2) Again, insert Shark and beach.
3) Some people are though  You didn't listen to the discussions about why all the shooters were White Young Men? And all the back and forth about gun control, etc? I know that when I went to see the Dark Knight Rises after the shooting, people looked suspiciously at my backpack... 
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
I'm not condoning or laughing at this. I'm simply telling you why. There are solutions, but these are the main problems, along with drugs.
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You are also not willing to acknowledge the primary sources that explain what is wrong with black culture today. In your posts you paint a picture of blacks voluntarily starting detrimental cycles that will harm their race as if white people had nothing to do with it. The fact that you comparing blacks to asians as if they had to experience the same oppression in America just shows how shallow you are. You are not willing to look deeper.
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This is SO MUCH like blaming rape victims for being raped because "they shouldn't have dressed so provocatively". That's not why the rape victim was raped.
Black people are not causing Black people to be murdered by racists. Racists are! 
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
I agree. That's the solution. But do you honestly think we'll ever stop  I mean, we absorb every form of pop culture here, and know every beyonce hairflip or Keri Hilson disstrack. Most people are addicted in the same way to the News.
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The point is not if we will stop, it's that we should stop. And liking pop culture is not an excuse for make judgments about a group of people. You're addicted to the news? Fine. But don't be ignant and just assume. Discuss, look deeper into things. Think for yourself. On ATRL we dont just absorb, we discuss, so I dont see how that connects at all.
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Originally posted by Javan
You are also not willing to acknowledge the primary sources that explain what is wrong with black culture today. In your posts you paint a picture of blacks voluntarily starting detrimental cycles that will harm their race as if white people had nothing to do with it. The fact that you comparing blacks to asians as if they had to experience the same oppression in America just shows how shallow you are. You are not willing to look deeper.
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I'll go through this point by point :
1) You didn't ask me for the root sources. If you want root sources? Fine: slavery. End of story. but it's too late to turn back the clock, so the immediate problems are the ones I listed.
2)I'm not saying blacks voluntarily enter the cycle. I'm saying many are trapped by it. But, there are exceptions. Look at Chris Gardner, who went from Homeless son-of-single-mother to multi-millionaire entrepreneur.
2) Asians, while not going through the exact same things, were pretty oppressed in their own right. They were the first and only minority/ethnicity to EVER be banned from the continental United States at the turn of the 20th/late-19th century, amongst other things.
3)We can look as deep as we want, but the deepest root cause is greedy stupid white people dragging black folk from Africa and whipping them into slaves, and then breeding only the big and dumb ones, while eliminating the smart ones. but that's the past. You can't change it.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
I don't shuffle away from no Black people!
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Lol, double negative. Education is key sis so learn proper grammar.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
This is SO MUCH like blaming rape victims for being raped because "they shouldn't have dressed so provocatively". That's not why the rape victim was raped.
Black people are not causing Black people to be murdered by racists. Racists are! 
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how many racists have murdered black people recently  Now look at how many black people are murdered by black people in one weekend
But this discussion isn't even about murder. It's about the cycle of stereotypes, and Don Lemon's suggestions for escaping that cycle
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I agree with what Don Lemon said. Although he did too much with Trayvon Martin. A hoodie is a common article of clothing worn by all races. He was a teenager, that's normal clothing.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Fine, but these "problems" with improper dress, improper speech, and crime, occur among many racial/ethnic groups - not just Blacks/African-Americans. Every community has its 'bad apples'. The fact that these things are inherently associated with US and that people still fail to understand that we are not all the same = racism. 
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But Clark, they are associated with US because majority of US are fulfilling those characteristics. It just plain and simple. I want to sit here and type otherwise TRUST me. But we have to look at the facts and the truth. Understanding the problem exists is step one. Those issues plague the black community and distracts the masses of the accomplishments blacks have made.
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
The point is not if we will stop, it's that we should stop. And liking pop culture is not an excuse for make judgments about a group of people. You're addicted to the news? Fine. But don't be ignant and just assume. Discuss, look deeper into things. Think for yourself. On ATRL we dont just absorb, we discuss, so I dont see how that connects at all.
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I was just making a comparison  People are never going to stop stereotyping so long as the news media continues showing disproportionate numbers of black people committing awful crimes and dancing with hoochie mamas in music videos
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
1) Ok...I'm just giving an example. You can insert Shark in there if you want.
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When will you realize that by comparing black people to animals, you are inadvertently saying that blacks are inherently amoral and uncivil, as are animals? That is racist.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
3) Some people are though  You didn't listen to the discussions about why all the shooters were White Young Men? And all the back and forth about gun control, etc? I know that when I went to see the Dark Knight Rises after the shooting, people looked suspiciously at my backpack... 
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I have never heard of young white men being stereotyped as terrorists, nor have I ever heard of anyone acting on those imaginary stereotypes.
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Originally posted by Javan
When will you realize that by comparing black people to animals, you are inadvertently saying that blacks are inherently amoral and uncivil, as are animals? That is racist.
I have never heard of young white men being stereotyped as terrorists, nor have I ever heard of anyone acting on those imaginary stereotypes.
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1) I also compared Asians in my first post  I used it as a point. Just as I compared it to cookies, flowers, and sharks
2)Muslims are certainly stereotyped as terrorists  or do you not follow that racism because it doesn't have to do with black people
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Originally posted by Deuces.
I agree with what Don Lemon said. Although he did too much with Trayvon Martin. A hoodie is a common article of clothing worn by all races. He was a teenager, that's normal clothing.
But Clark, they are associated with US because majority of US are fulfilling those characteristics. It just plain and simple. I want to sit here and type otherwise TRUST me. But we have to look at the facts and the truth. Understanding the problem exists is step one. Those issues plague the black community and distracts the masses of the accomplishments blacks have made.
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You're right. Some Black people need to change themselves, but others should not be generalizing us anyway.
It needs to work both ways tbh.
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