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Discussion: Could Beyonce pull off Stay?
Member Since: 11/23/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
The Grammys were also a huge bore this year, so of course Rihanna's performance is going to rise to the top of them.
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Not the discrediting. 
The long awaited return of JT to the music scene with a performance with Jay-Z to promote his lead single?
A legendary bassist, Sting, performing a tribute to a Jamaican legend?
Kelly Clarkson giving the most vocally stirring performance of the night as deemed by critics and GP?
And yet, Rihanna still managed to capture the attention with her "easy" ballad. Why, you ask? Cuz in her simplicity, Rihanna manages to strip out of the party girl/dance anthem siren image to capture that vein of sentiments that is just so hard hitting to the GP, leaving the world abuzz after her performance. She rose to the top of the headlines not cuz the Grammys were a bore but on her own merits.
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Y'all are really feeling yourselves with Stay. Mess. 
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Originally posted by swissman
Yes! This is the PERFECT example. The discussion can now end.
And it has so many different vocal opportunities not just "I want you to staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay"
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Well I completely respect your arguments. Beyonce is a fantastic vocalist, and I didn't mean to say she can't do subtle as much as she generally chooses not to.
For example, this video you say has so many more "vocal opportunities" than Stay - and thats true in this case. But the point is, Stay wasnt written that way, it wasnt trying to do the same things. The chills from the song come from the simplicity. The emphasis on the lone word "staaaaay" which you're basically mocking actually creates that stress and the heartbreak and the flood of emotion and whatever. I think Beyonce would most likely attempt to turn Stay into something more than it was meant to be; something like that song in the video. And that just doesn't work for me 
I don't see the melisma and the intricate details adding anything, in fact, I think it would detract. For me the song works because it is so stripped back, like all the singer is trying to do is convince anyone listening. When you add details, it automatically comes across more like a performance. Like a vocal display of skill rather than a persuasion or something with meaning. For example in that song you quoted, I kept thinking more about her voice than the actual meaning of the song. For that reason, I don't think Beyonce's version of Stay would be as enjoyable to me or anyone who genuinely tries to relate to the song.
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and make it better than Rihanna's?
Yes.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
My argument is invalid because Rihanna performs on boring shows often? What are you getting at?
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Actually your whole post was out of place!
I was talking about Rihanna's searches and you made a reference about the performances of that night! That was irrelevant!
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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Silly discussion. Vocally, Beyonce could murder this song... but I think a part of the appeal is that Rihanna's voice is so different.
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Originally posted by Embustera
Duh, even Britney can do it better..
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 True.
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Can we stop with the shade slinging? If yall get this closed...
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Member Since: 5/20/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
Y'all are really feeling yourselves with Stay. Mess.
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Ain't it funny.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
Not the discrediting.
The long awaited return of JT to the music scene with a performance with Jay-Z to promote his lead single?
A legendary bassist, Sting, performing a tribute to a Jamaican legend?
Kelly Clarkson giving the most vocally stirring performance of the night as deemed by critics and GP?
And yet, Rihanna still managed to capture the attention with her "easy" ballad. Why, you ask? Cuz in her simplicity, Rihanna manages to strip out of the party girl/dance anthem siren image to capture that vein of sentiments that is just so hard hitting to the GP, leaving the world abuzz after her performance. She rose to the top of the headlines not cuz the Grammys were a bore but on her own merits. |
I watched the Grammys that night with a room of 20 people. All of them agreed that the whole night was very boring and that Rihanna was one of the best of the night.
JT and Jay-Z wasn't thrilling at all with that tired dapper routine, Sting tributing Bob Marley wasn't that thrilling either, and Kelly Clarkson was great but not memorable. I know these are opinions of course, but I found the entire show very boring.
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Originally posted by frenchyisback
Lmao
Halo is not a piano drive ballad
It had a beat driven mid-tempo. b
And please, more impact that rihanna s song?
I m looking for it on mediatraffics list of songs with over 6million point yes and I can't find it... I can't find any Beyonce songs for that matter
Local as ever...
Piano driven ballads are listen, 1+1 ...
And Bey can't deliver them
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Sorry, dear there's no such thing as a worldwide chart, so point failed.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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CCL and TLS are the only Rihanna ballads Bey couldn't do better, so.
Talking about people acting like Rihanna's a modern-day Aretha, it's almost admirable how few emotions she managed to capture in e.g. CKB, WAWL, Farewell, etc. None at all.
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Member Since: 3/31/2012
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Grammys? If any of the big pop girls performed i.e Beyonce, Pink, Gaga or Adele her easy/weak would have been left in the dust
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No, and it wouldn't of been 1/4 as big either.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Fruity
Well I completely respect your arguments. Beyonce is a fantastic vocalist, and I didn't mean to say she can't do subtle as much as she generally chooses not to.
For example, this video you say has so many more "vocal opportunities" than Stay - and thats true in this case. But the point is, Stay wasnt written that way, it wasnt trying to do the same things. The chills from the song come from the simplicity. The emphasis on the lone word "staaaaay" which you're basically mocking actually creates that stress and the heartbreak and the flood of emotion and whatever. I think Beyonce would most likely attempt to turn Stay into something more than it was meant to be; something like that song in the video. And that just doesn't work for me
I don't see the melisma and the intricate details adding anything, in fact, I think it would detract. For me the song works because it is so stripped back, like all the singer is trying to do is convince anyone listening. When you add details, it automatically comes across more like a performance. Like a vocal display of skill rather than a persuasion or something with meaning. For example in that song you quoted, I kept thinking more about her voice than the actual meaning of the song. For that reason, I don't think Beyonce's version of Stay would be as enjoyable to me or anyone who genuinely tries to relate to the song. |
Of course Stay was written the way it was, and Rihanna performed it just as written. But that doesn't mean that Beyonce's "version" wouldn't be good. Who is to say Beyonce would add more vocal flare to it for sure? We're only assuming. Yet we've given many covers as examples to how she can pull off subdued and easy, so I don't know why this over-singing argument is still in play. And just as you hear Beyonce's voice more in Still in Love, I hear Rihanna's voice on stay more than emotions. I agree that the elongating of the word "stay" shows stress and heartbreak, but Rihanna isn't the only one who can carry the same note for a few seconds. She's not adding anything to it that a capable singer could.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by MrBillyBrhtd
Actually your whole post was out of place!
I was talking about Rihanna's searches and you made a reference about the performances of that night! That was irrelevant!
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But the quote you used for Rihanna's searches had to do with the Grammys. How was that out of place? It was directly related to what you said.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Beyoncé could definitely pull off stay, but if she released stay I doubt it would've been a hit for her.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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People saying she would "add too much" to the song. 
Yet her cover of Back To Black is just as "simple" as the original. In fact, she only added one "run", which was very subdued, added to the over emotional quality of the cover, and wasn't unlike the run Rihanna did at the end of Stay herself. (Well actually, that's a lie—the Black To Black run was far prettier) Or how about I Miss You? Frank's version is basically the same as Beyoncé's. I'm missing where she added a bunch of "unnecessary runs" to it. There are so many other examples of Beyoncé giving understated vocal performances with little runs and melismas. That argument is so flawed, and people who keep repeating it just sound like sheep.
Beyoncé would kill Slay, just as she has killed countless of other songs in countless of other genres.
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