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Discussion: Beyoncé's thoughts about 4
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this was her best body of work tbh
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Originally posted by Beyond Say
4 sold 1.3 million in the USA and over 3 million WW. That's nowhere near "underperforming to the point of embarrassment."
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For the way that the Beyhive put Beyonce on a pedestal that is unattainable to every human being, the work and effort she put into this album, and the promotion that she did for the singles, it's embarrassing that she was overshadowed but "little, local Katy Perry," and Rihanna, in the singles department, and by Gaga in the albums department, especially coming off of arguably her biggest era, thus far. For being "King B" or whatever ridiculous moniker Beyonce stans decided to give her this week, that's pretty embarrassing.
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I think she was dissapointed with most of the tracks (see the tuneless, annoying RTW).
This album is trash compared to the rest of her material.
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Originally posted by Katy.Kat.23
For the way that the Beyhive put Beyonce on a pedestal that is unattainable to every human being, the work and effort she put into this album, and the promotion that she did for the singles, it's embarrassing that she was overshadowed but "little, local Katy Perry," and Rihanna, in the singles department, and by Gaga in the albums department, especially coming off of arguably her biggest era, thus far. For being "King B" or whatever ridiculous moniker Beyonce stans decided to give her this week, that's pretty embarrassing. |
Oh girl save me the BS. I don't care what the Stans do. For any artists, selling 1.3 in the USA and over 3 million worldwide is nowhere near embarrassing. Especially when it was outselling or barely be outsold by those who had huge singles.
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Member Since: 4/17/2011
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Originally posted by Brite Lites ☆
I think she was dissapointed with most of the tracks (see the tuneless, annoying RTW).
This album is trash compared to the rest of her material.
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Not when she still performs RTW as if its one of her signature hits.
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How can she be disappointed with a song she's been consistently performing since the flop of 2011? 
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Originally posted by Katy.Kat.23
For the way that the Beyhive put Beyonce on a pedestal that is unattainable to every human being, the work and effort she put into this album, and the promotion that she did for the singles, it's embarrassing that she was overshadowed but "little, local Katy Perry," and Rihanna, in the singles department, and by Gaga in the albums department, especially coming off of arguably her biggest era, thus far. For being "King B" or whatever ridiculous moniker Beyonce stans decided to give her this week, that's pretty embarrassing. |
this post is a diamond in the rough out of all the delusional posts here  i agree w/ everything!
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Member Since: 9/22/2011
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I don't think she expected to strike gold with another I Am... era. But if she felt some way I doubt it was because of some perceived "failure" (let's face it, sure the singles didn't pick up and it didn't give Sasha Fierce numbers, but it was no means a flop), it was because she put her heart and work into making an album she clearly still stands by today.
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She only promoted RTW and Best Thing I Never Had.
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I think she's scared now because the material on 4 underperformed. That's stupid.
She has some smashes on her hands already, Standing On the Sun and Grown Woman are both better than most of 4.
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Member Since: 4/25/2011
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Releasing 6 singles and she doesn't care? Please. She obviously does and she tried making R&B happen in 2011 too bad it wasn't her who brought it back.
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Originally posted by prayer
Yes, but Beyoncé was clearly concerned about the commercial success of the album, hence why she released a big upbeat club banger as the first single and promoted the rest of the singles to death in hope of them becoming successful. It's not a bad thing, it's what artists do.
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"Promoted the res of the singles to death in hope of them becoming successful."
What? She performed BTINH a few times and Countdown once. Love on Top was performed before it was even a single. It'd be worth it to get your facts straight before really commenting on this.
And my opinion on this topic: I think Beyonce must have been bothered a bit that the chart-run she's used to didn't happen, but she did say in her documentary that she wanted to make music she wanted to make and she didn't care if only one person bought the album. That's kind of the point of being her own manager.
The era was messy though, that's for sure. The fact that so many videos came out so soon after the album came out made it seem very confusing, I don't think anyone could really focus on a song anyway, so none really had a big chance after BTINH. Let's keep in mind, getting pregnant right before your album art is shot is a major roadblock and makes you change your plans. Did we really expect her to draw out the album over a year + while she was pregnant? And still, LOT did really well for itself. The album is fantastic and she should be proud of it. At the end of the day no one is going to really care about sales or chart positions.
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Originally posted by Katy.Kat.23
For the way that the Beyhive put Beyonce on a pedestal that is unattainable to every human being, the work and effort she put into this album, and the promotion that she did for the singles, it's embarrassing that she was overshadowed but "little, local Katy Perry," and Rihanna, in the singles department, and by Gaga in the albums department, especially coming off of arguably her biggest era, thus far. For being "King B" or whatever ridiculous moniker Beyonce stans decided to give her this week, that's pretty embarrassing. |
The only real promotion she did was for RTW.
And it's hardly embarrassing when your R&B-flavoured singles are outperformed by Dr. Luke and EDM tracks when the year is 2011.
Why do you guys pretend like Beyonce couldn't have called RedOne or Dr. Luke in a second and gotten a track out of them? It's not like Katy and Gaga are more privileged and Beyonce got stuck with R&B songs. This is what Beyonce wanted to make. Leave it alone. You're just confusing chart position with
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The foolishness in this thread 
"promoting her 6 singles to death" - RTW had like 3 tv performances in US and 2 in France - compare it with Gaga, Katy and Rihanna first singles. When the song leaked and got rushed released Beyoncé was in France on vacay with Jay, she was doing NOTHING when the song got rejected by US radio finishing it's life with less than 25M or airplay. Second single got 3 performances in US and 1in France. Compare it with 2nd singles of Gaga, Katy and Rihanna's last albums. Or even Pink and Taylor promo. In the meantime we got 2 random 1+1 performances - it was never a single and that was promo for album. One EOT performance in US in the weak of album release, one random Love on Top performance in US three months before it became a single and one random Countdown performance released months after it was recorded. Countdown got no promo, Party got no promo, I was Here got no promo, Love on Top got no promo when it became a single. We all know that Bey and her team could at least buy some top 40 airplay if they wanted to.
Also for BOMT album being classic - how are his catalog sales? They're nothing, people buy singles collection and don't bother with the rest.
Anyway, I think Beyoncé was bothered about RTW mainly because it was the first time she was doing it alone without manager but I believe once she knew Blue Ivy was in her womb she just planned what she could do beforehand like video anthology
or some tv specials and then left the album alone.
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Okay....my two cents:
I personally think "4" was a solid effort. However it wasn't her best work. I feel as though B'Day is, although DIL is classic in the GP's eyes.
The issue with Beyoncé (this goes farther than 4), is that she overthinks everything IMO. Every move is always so calculated and almost contrived. I highly doubt she ever has the intention of not being organic with her art; she just comes off as if she's not. She wants to promote this image and that one, cater to this audience, cater to that one. Not realizing that it's driving a deeper wedge between she and the actual music buying public. So be that as it may, 4 wasn't as big as it should've been because it simply didn't provide a connection for listeners. As a hardcore fan, I listened and appreciated the music but at the end I was left with the question, "what's the big picture here?".
I feel like once Beyoncé asks herself that, she will create masterpieces. She's more than capable, just trying the wrong ways.
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I think she does care, though it was a critical success she was piling hit over hit on her previous eras, she even needed to call Shakira to make 'Beautiful Liar' so she could release two more singles for 'B'Day', which kind of flopped. And now it shows that's she's being extra-careful for her next releases. However even though I think she cares about commercial success, it doesn't compromise her artistic integrity, she still did the music she wanted to make.
I think now she's getting more real and reflecting on her next music direction one of the reasons I think why she indulged herself in a world tour.
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I really think she was upset about that, if she is upset about some photos.
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The only thing she was really disappointed about during the 4 era was the leak. We would never know if she had cared about the chart success of her album when she was obviously more concerned that she wouldn't deliver enough material (videos, performances,tour etc.) for her fans because of pregnancy. I think the rush release of videos and singles after BTINH was because she wanted to respond to the demand of the fans. She's been in this industry for 15 years and of course she would know releasing videos every week won't take her album sales up or one of those singles would take it to top 10.
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Yes and I think that is why she's delaying the next album. She enjoyed the creative control she experienced with 4, but she doesn't want her new album to underperform again.
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Quote:
Originally posted by prayer
Yes, but Beyoncé was clearly concerned about the commercial success of the album, hence why she released a big upbeat club banger as the first single and promoted the rest of the singles to death in hope of them becoming successful. It's not a bad thing, it's what artists do.
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what are u spieling ? countdown (?3rd single) was only promoted once as a single which came really really late. LOT was performed prematurely so where' s this promoting to death that u speak of ? Not to mention the biggest promo any artist can receive airplay and Bey did not use payola during the 4 era at all
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