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Video Games: Nintendo stealing profit from user videos posted on Youtube
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Nintendo stealing profit from user videos posted on Youtube
The desperation
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Nintendo will profit from videos uploaded by fans that feature its games, the company has confirmed.
Clips posted to YouTube will now display advertising, with income going directly to the Japanese gaming giant.
Some fans have reacted angrily, saying they would no longer play the Nintendo titles, nor upload more clips.
In a statement, the firm said the move was part of an "on-going push to ensure Nintendo content is shared across social media".
"We continually want our fans to enjoy sharing Nintendo content on YouTube," the company added.
"That is why, unlike other entertainment companies, we have chosen not to block people using our intellectual property."
Many games fans enjoy uploading footage of themselves playing popular titles.
Often, these clips - referred to as "Let's Play" (LP) - show how to complete difficult sections, or show off the advanced skills of the gamer.
'Audiovisual experience'
One popular LP-er, Zack Scott, discovered that Nintendo was issuing what is known as a "content ID match" claim on footage he uploaded of Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon.
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Until their claims are straightened out, I won't be playing their games”
Zack Scott
YouTube user and Nintendo fan
A content ID match allows rights holders to place advertising within videos in order to profit from views.
Importantly, a content ID match means the uploader of the clip - in this case Zack Scott - cannot themselves make money from the advertising.
"I think filing claims against LP-ers is backwards," Mr Scott said in a message posted to Facebook.
"Video games aren't like movies or TV. Each play-through is a unique audiovisual experience."
He argued that viewing footage of games can tempt people to buy it.
"Until their claims are straightened out, I won't be playing their games," he continued.
"I won't because it jeopardises my channel's copyright standing and the livelihood of all LP-ers."
Nintendo defended the move, adding that only clips showing games footage of a certain length would be affected.
"Adverts will now appear at the beginning, next to or at the end of the clips," the company said.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22552756
What this means is that people who decide to make commentary videos or walkthroughs for any Nintendo game will have ads placed on their videos. But instead of the money from those ads going to the person who made the video and bought the game, Nintendo will take the profits instead
@ Nintendo being so thirsty for the coins lost on the Wii U that they have to steal from their own fanbase
@ Nintendo killing their chances of getting free promotion
@ Nintendo stans revolting and burning their stan cards as we speak 
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Wow, they just really want to burn all their bridges
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Gotta pay for the Wii U somehow I guess.
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Nintendo slowly killing themselves. I like it.

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The Wii U is a disaster, there was zero buzz or hype. If I didn't go on forums I would have never known it was even coming out, how could they mishandle the follow-up to the Wii so badly?
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Member Since: 8/18/2011
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How is it stealing? They should have done this sooner.
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good
players shouldn't make money off of nintendo's products and should get a real job 
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Alright, I'm gonna go on a rant here. Keep in mind, this is coming from somebody who enjoys watching lets plays ALOT, over half of my youtube subscriptions are lets players.
To start, yes, they have made the games, meaning this is not exactly unethical. I will admit to that, of course. However, this will serve little to no benefit for them and will only backfire. For a start, I have seen people using the argument that watching people play games makes people not want to buy the game themselves. However, it is quite the contrary, to be honest. I watch lets plays a lot, and sometimes I will see people in the comments who say how they encouraged them to pick up the game themselves. Nintendo would be making more money from the people encouraged to buy the games rather than the lets plays themselves. With this being said, some people also do not like to buy games just based off trailers, and like to see formal game play first. For some games, I do this as well. Now, if all the Nintendo lets players are dodging this by doing smaller games, what let's plays will there to be seen? Not to mention, now, Nintendo's COMPETITORS are going to be getting more publicity from Nintendo, and it's all because of this. Is it really worth it to collect this money that will seem like nothing to them, in exchange to have their competitors more videos? No, it is not. There are other points that I can't be bothered to type, too.
On a complete different note, let's players who did it just for the money had their head in the complete wrong place. But, some people have gotten accustomed to lets playing and started doing it as a full time job. Hell, somebody I watch got his own apartment and all of his recording equipment from his Youtube income. Yes, I do know that this is not a valid excuse for Nintendo to not do this, however it is worth mentioning.
TL;DR: This may not be unethical as they made the games, but it surely won't benefit at all and this won't last long because of it.
Edit: I also forgot to mention that Lets Players spend LOTS of time on their videos, and I mean lots of time. More than we think. And they have purchased equipment to make these videos for their viewers, only to get no income now if they are Nintendo lets players? Felt this was worth mentioning.
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I make videos on YouTube so `people can watch gameplay of videos. I don't do commentary because I personally find it annoying but I do not do it for the money. If I did then well, I would be enjoying my whole 10 cents I have made so far.
Notch of Mojang (creator of Minecraft) was also offered the same deal but didn't take it. He was, however very tempted to take the deal.
So personally, take the 'stealing' out of the title unless you really need that 'hit thread'.
EDIT: I won't deny that 'some' Lets Players out there do put effort into their videos and I do think that some people actually tune into those videos to listen to the commentary but I think a majority of Lets Players are in it for the money.
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Originally posted by Lunick
How is it stealing? They should have done this sooner.
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It technically is. They're taking the revenue from someone else's work and claiming it as their own (the commentary, the editing, reactions etc).
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Originally posted by Lunick
I make videos on YouTube so `people can watch gameplay of videos. I don't do commentary because I personally find it annoying but I do not do it for the money. If I did then well, I would be enjoying my whole 10 cents I have made so far.
Notch of Mojang (creator of Minecraft) was also offered the same deal but didn't take it. He was, however very tempted to take the deal.
So personally, take the 'stealing' out of the title unless you really need that 'hit thread'.
EDIT: I won't deny that 'some' Lets Players out there do put effort into their videos and I do think that some people actually tune into those videos to listen to the commentary but I think a majority of Lets Players are in it for the money.
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Like who, though? I personally disagree, as I can name over 20 lets players that are not in it for the money, and that is just off the top of my head. I cannot say the same for people in it for the money, though. Possibly because I don't watch people like that, I suppose.
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Originally posted by highwayuni
It technically is. They're taking the revenue from someone else's work and claiming it as their own (the commentary, the editing, reactions etc).
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and youtubers are using nintendo's work for revenue which is not ok sorry 
all nintendo is doing is not letting them profit from their games 
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Originally posted by GotMyBlueprint
and youtubers are using nintendo's work for revenue which is not ok sorry
all nintendo is doing is not letting them profit from their games 
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Not to mention Nintendo is breaking the law of US Fair Use, AND Machinima's clients had LICENSES to use Nintendo work, yet Machinima users are still having their videos monetized. Is this okay, since Nintendo made the games?
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Originally posted by highwayuni
It technically is. They're taking the revenue from someone else's work and claiming it as their own (the commentary, the editing, reactions etc).
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Really, they are hitting two kinds of people, the people doing straight up gameplay videos and then the people doing all their work on it like editing and commentary etc.
Double edged sword?
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Originally posted by Corsola
Like who, though? I personally disagree, as I can name over 20 lets players that are not in it for the money, and that is just off the top of my head. I cannot say the same for people in it for the money, though. Possibly because I don't watch people like that, I suppose.
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I probably can't link you to a direct quote saying they are in it for the money but people that get a deal with Machinima or stuff like that or extremely popular YouTubers that do playthroughs of 'scary video games' (if that isn't enough of a hint I don't know what is).
But here, it's brought out the people who get angry from making money from Nintendo based videos 
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Originally posted by Lunick
Really, they are hitting two kinds of people, the people doing straight up gameplay videos and then the people doing all their work on it like editing and commentary etc.
Double edged sword?
I probably can't link you to a direct quote saying they are in it for the money but people that get a deal with Machinima or stuff like that or extremely popular YouTubers that do playthroughs of 'scary video games' (if that isn't enough of a hint I don't know what is).
But here, it's brought out the people who get angry from making money from Nintendo based videos 
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To be fair, I do agree that people like that who try to do all the trendy games even when you can tell they aren't enjoying it are in it for the money.
But, majority of Nintendo lets players don't lets play video games like that. All I can think of is when AttackingTucans did that for a short time, however he apologized and admitted to wanting to get more popular, and then he stopped after that.
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Originally posted by Corsola
To be fair, I do agree that people like that who try to do all the trendy games even when you can tell they aren't enjoying it are in it for the money.
But, majority of Nintendo lets players don't lets play video games like that. All I can think of is when AttackingTucans did that for a short time, however he apologized and admitted to wanting to get more popular, and then he stopped after that.
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I will admit, I haven't seen any Nintendo Lets Players that come off as bad people myself but I haven't seen everyone on YouTube.
I still don't have a problem with this but this does hurt both parties here.
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Oh, before I go to sleep, I remembered another major point I forgot to bring up here.
Lets Players have gone through the precautions of making sure their videos do not violate any existing terms from the creators. But, apparently those can change anytime now which honestly isn't that fair, imo.
Also, something that people don't seem to realize here is that they are also trying to claim a profit off of an original version that they didn't make. They made the games, but they didn't make the commentary/video edits, so they are breaking copyright infrigments.
So basically, the videos are 50% owned by Nintendo, and 50% owned by the Lets Players, technically. So, if Lets Players shouldn't make money because they are using their games, why should Nintendo make money using their commentary and equipment? It's double standard, creators or not.
Edit: Not to mention this whole double standard thing is against the US Fair Use Law.
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I would be even more fine if they only took some of the profits, maybe something like 50/50 above and then whatever YouTube/Google takes from that. Suppose it does again seem a bit greedy to take it all.
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Not Nintendo getting those free advertisements taxed.
Machinima is going to MURDER them, I'm telling y'all. 
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