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Discussion: What does Rihanna have to do to prove she is the QoP?
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
I think Rihanna lacks the ability to capture people's attention. Madonna, Gaga, Britney, Beyonce and the like all got people riled up at some point about something whether it was what they wore, said, did or didn't do. They were/are media magnets. Rihanna can't seem to get a headline that wasn't correlated to Chris Brown. You rarely see anyone mad about Rihanna, she's kinda just there, indifferent to most people and, when it comes to being Queen of Pop, you're gonna need a bit more than that.
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In the US, perhaps, but in Europe she's a megastar.
I would say Rih is bigger here than Beyonce and Gaga ever were, in terms of media attention.
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Queen.
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Whilst Rihanna is the greatest marketing strategy and is constantly talked about and adored she lacks so many stuff that can be found in Gaga, Madonna, Britney, Beyonce etc. When she can rack in the touring numbers they can with flop era's, once she has a song that is as iconic as Bad Romance/Vogue/BOMT/Single Ladies she'll have the chance, until then she's just a great "product". I say this with no intention at shading her, she's in my avi after all.
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Originally posted by brndksk
I would say Rih is bigger here than Beyonce and Gaga ever were, in terms of media attention.
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Media attention? Is that what we're going by for Queen of Pop?
That would make Kim Kardashian the Queen of Pop
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Originally posted by PromKing
Whilst Rihanna is the greatest marketing strategy and is constantly talked about and adored she lacks so many stuff that can be found in Gaga, Madonna, Britney, Beyonce etc. When she can rack in the touring numbers they can with flop era's, once she has a song that is as iconic as Bad Romance/Vogue/BOMT/Single Ladies she'll have the chance, until then she's just a great "product". I say this with no intention at shading her, she's in my avi after all.
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Have you never heard Umbrella?
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Let me see... She has to be born in a world without Madonna, Britney, Beyoncé and Lady Gaga.
Yeah, that would be all.
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Originally posted by Rihhyonce
Have you never heard Umbrella?
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Her only iconic song?
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Originally posted by Rihhyonce
Have you never heard Umbrella?
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and I love it but it's nothing compared to those.
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Originally posted by Rihhyonce
Have you never heard Umbrella?
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Isn't that the song that was placed on Rolling Stone's 500 greatest song of all times?
Can't say every female artist has had that sort of recognition with their so called "iconic" songs.
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Originally posted by thisbird
Her only iconic song?
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I don't know what's so funny. If you consider Bad Romance iconic, then surely Umbrella is as well.
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
Isn't that the song that was placed on Rolling Stone's 500 greatest song of all times?
Can't say every female artist has had that sort of recognition with their so called "iconic" songs.
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If we're going by Rolling Stone, that would make Gaga the Queen of Pop
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Originally posted by Rihhyonce
I don't know what's so funny. If you consider Bad Romance iconic, then surely Umbrella is as well.
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Gaga has Just Dance, Poker Face, LoveGame, Paparazzi, Bad Romance, Telephone, and Born This Way
The only iconic song Rihanna has is Umbrella.
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Originally posted by Rihhyonce
I definitely agree that Rihanna could learn a thing or twelve about performing from Madonna, but I definitely think that Madonna and Rihanna parallel each other when it comes to captivating people and forcing the GP to confront female sexuality in a bold way. They have very similar public personas and represent many of the same things.
But obviously there will never be another Madonna, no matter how much some stars may try.
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Yes, and I also see that it's easy to give all of that to Madonna in retrospect! I feel that in years to come, people will look at how Rihanna dealt with her issues involving domestic abuse in a similar light. I admire how she refused to conform to society's image of what a "good woman" should do in that situation and instead decided to go about it her own way, despite the controversy and backlash. Something like that cannot be replicated.
That being said, I agree with what many others have said in this thread in that Rihanna needs to really sharpen up her performances. This era has really proven that despite her vocal limitations, she is able to imbue ballads with enough power and emotion in a live setting, but for someone marketed as a full pop package, there are still very many areas in which she's lacking and still has the reputation for being less-than-stellar at. If she wants to be the Queen of Pop (if we judge by Madge's standards), she will have to find a way to eclipse her own image, controversy and public impressions that have dominated her entire career with more than just "idgaf"-posturing in record b-sides and tweets with some seriously hardcore, memorable pop performances, and not just good tunes every few months.
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she doesn't need to do anything she already is the queen of pop, the other fanbases will disagree though because Rih is a big threat to all of their faves.. for example: the hives are always attacking the navy they just always say that Bey has sold more albums etc .. but she has been in the industry longer than Ri but when was the last time Bey had a global hit/ was relevant ? ........three years ago.
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Originally posted by PromKing
and I love it but it's nothing compared to those.
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If Bad Romance and Single Ladies are iconic lol then so is Umbrella and We Found Love.
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Originally posted by Damien M
I'm laughing at atrl'ers still living in a bubble where beyonce, britney spears etc still matter
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u mean the real world?
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Originally posted by Ady.
If Bad Romance and Single Ladies are iconic lol then so is Umbrella and We Found Love.
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Just because it spent 10 weeks on number one does NOT make it iconic. I'm sorry but I don't see people jamming to Umbrella at parties or quoting it, not even when they're holding an umbrella.
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Originally posted by Ady.
She's just there? And she is not media magnet?
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Yes. I already explained why I felt this way.
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Originally posted by Arking
. She not only served modern classics like Vogue and Like A Prayer and made herself headline fodder with her intelligent use of sex, religion, fashion and open embrace of underground gay culture, but she was also an incredibly hard-working and powerful performer and hands-on business woman in charge of her own image and career.
Dropping singles and looks at the cutting edge of modern trends will only get her so far as an artist.
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Basically.
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Originally posted by Arking
Yes, and I also see that it's easy to give all of that to Madonna in retrospect! I feel that in years to come, people will look at how Rihanna dealt with her issues involving domestic abuse in a similar light. I admire how she refused to conform to society's image of what a "good woman" should do in that situation and instead decided to go about it her own way, despite the controversy and backlash. Something like that cannot be replicated.
That being said, I agree with what many others have said in this thread in that Rihanna needs to really sharpen up her performances. This era has really proven that despite her vocal limitations, she is able to imbue ballads with enough power and emotion in a live setting, but for someone marketed as a full pop package, there are still very many areas in which she's lacking and still has the reputation for being less-than-stellar at. If she wants to be the Queen of Pop (if we judge by Madge's standards), she will have to find a way to eclipse her own image, controversy and public impressions that have dominated her entire career with more than just "idgaf"-posturing in record b-sides and tweets with some seriously hardcore, memorable pop performances, and not just good tunes every few months.
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I actually agree. I always appreciate you and your eloquent posts.
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Originally posted by Ady.
If Bad Romance and Single Ladies are iconic lol then so is Umbrella and We Found Love.
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Umbrella - yes
We Found Love - NO!
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Originally posted by PromKing
I'm sorry but I don't see people jamming to Umbrella at parties or quoting it, not even when they're holding an umbrella.
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Yeah because Umbrella is really a party song.
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