Ryan Murphy, who created both of these shows, does not know how to handle gay characters (or characters in general for that matter) without basing them on extremes or tired tropes and amplifying them. The relationship between the two leads in The New Normal is the stereotypical "Oh, well that one is the 'man' and that one is the 'woman'" mentality that most uneducated people have about gay relationships, which is not remotely the case. Same for Blaine and Kurt in Glee (don't even get me started on Kurt). The characters that are trying to be passed off as non-stereotypical "gays" like Santana in Glee are not even believable as being legitimately gay because of the lack of continuity in their behaviors beforehand (Glee is the prime example of this in general with all characters). He literally looked at two very feminine (and ****ty!) characters and said "Hmm, ok now you're gay and we are now representing lesbian culture." Ryan Murphy is absolutely awful with creating realistic characters in general, which is a big reason why the representation of gays in his shows irk me so much. They are just based on fantastical stereotypes half the time and the rest of the characters are just playing the polar opposites (Ellen Barkin on The New Normal). If you were trying to defend the point of non-stereotypical gay representation on television, it definitely is not going to happen with a Ryan Murphy show.

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Spot on!

It will be just messy queens

Gurl, no need to write an exam and novel about being gay.
Rayn Murphy is gay himself, and let's be real, a lot of gays are like his characters.

I'm not going to judge yet, but something about this is already rubbing me the wrong way.

I'm surprised to see so many negative reactions. I'm gonna wait and see some episodes first, I feel like this has some potential.

I don't have a problem with what (little) I have seen from Glee. As much as they are a stereotype, gay men like Kurt do exist and they deserve to be represented. There is nothing wrong with feminine gay men. I think it's just the circumstances in which they are portrayed. Shows like Glee and Modern Family are all based on character stereotypes, they are amplified personalities.

I have a feeling this show will portray masculine and feminine gays, but I also kind of have an instinct that this program will show a group the gays as having "their own little world" that is far removed and given the title of "gay culture". Which of course the idea of "gay culture" isn't necessarily relevant to a lot of gay people especially the younger ones. We'll see though. It's easy to be critical but unless the show is actually ******** I'm not bothered

I just hope it's NOTHING like Queer as Folk and/or The New Normal.

Ryan Murphy is probably one of the worst things to happen to TV for gays in a while, so I will damn well write what I please.

This. I wholly understand and agree that feminine gays totally deserve to be represented, but that he leans on situational stereotypes is what kills me and these characters are not nearly developed well enough so that you actually care about them in the end. Having seen a ton of Glee, it only got more irksome. Again, that is Ryan Murphy for you. The fact that he is gay only makes this worse, IMO.

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Not again. First The Carrie Diaries, and now this. I am not here for this.
And I hate Groff cause he's dating Zachary.

I look forward to it, I still have to watch Queer as Folk, I only watched a few episodes.