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Discussion: Beyonce is the vocal GODDESS of our generation?
Member Since: 5/20/2012
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Originally posted by Glamazon
dfffff girl what is that?
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American Idol auditions. Lemme go look or the original video.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by Albany Guest
How many times has this very same thread been made, honestly?
Beyonce is an incredible vocalist (and she is certainly a better vocalist than my fave, Florence, who never had serious vocal training, unlike Beyonce), but...
The public doesn't care about someone being a good vocalist! 99% of people do not have the ear to recognize great technique from merely good technique, and most people don't care anyways. The tone of a voice is more likely more important to someone's ability to enjoy a voice than having good vocal training. I mean, Bey is a great vocalist, but Broadway and the Opera are both full of probably even better vocalists, AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT THEM.
Xtina is a good example - she is not a good vocalist, but she had a beautiful tone and could belt out big notes, so the public thought - that girl has a voice! Actually, my fave Flo is similar: she does not abuse her voice as badly as Christina, but its her tone and ability to emote that get to people, NOT having good vocal technique. Adele is another example - she is a decent vocalist, but its her smokey voice and ability to reach people emotionally that has given her so much success as a singer.
Beyonce is recognized a s a great performer, and obviously the people who give out awards appreciate her immense talent, but she is NOT "known" by the public as the best singer out there, and making the same thread every two months isn't ever going to change that, nor is it going to get the public to care about or recognize sterling vocal technique vs. just good singing.
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Does it matter if "people" don't recognize her as the greatest singer. The fact is, she is the best out right now. There are plenty of singers that don't get a lot of props from the GP (Sarah Vaughan, Ella Fitzgerald, Dinah Washington), that doesn't change the fact that they are indeed the greatest vocalists. And some singers who do get props from the GP are really not that great (Celine Dion, Adele, Jennifer Hudson, Xtina). It deserves to be repeated IMO.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Albany Guest
There are likely dozens of women who are far superior vocalists to Beyonce - they just don't get recognition because they don't work in popular music, and because, again, the public does not give a crap about vocal technique.
Beyonce will NEVER have the same aura of being a "songbird" that Whitney had, that Mariah had, hell, that Celine Dione, who was not a good vocalist, had. Also, what generation? My generation (and I am older than 99% of ATRL) had Whitney, then Mariah, and then Xtina near the end (and we all know Xtina is not that great a vocalist) - after her there was no big singer, and the Hive is kidding themselves if they think Beyonce made a reputation for herself as some great singer - she did not. Its only in the last few years that her singing gets a little more attention from the public than her overall performance, but now you have someone like Adele, who had a bigger album than anything Beyonce had, or might EVER have and if you ask the general public, they would name Adele off the top of their heads as the best singer, because..
People like singing, not vocal technique. Insofar as superior vocal technique can help a person deliver a song in a more touching way, it matters, but technical superiority itself is meaningless - its like a painter who can draw something as realistically as a photo. That is skill, but who cares, if the subject lacks emotion or depth?
Beyonce is a great vocalist, but the music that made her famous never put the main focus on her singing like the music of some other female artists - she would have to change course significantly to get herself thought off as a "songbird", and it does not help that her natural voice is not that great. She uses what she has magnificently, but she was not blessed with a naturally striking voice. That is not something she has control over, but its also the truth.
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Yeah but I don't think any Beyonce stan would claim she's the most acclaimed vocalist around, we all know her vocals are underrated. We are moreso talking about in actuality, She IS the best vocalist of the generation\
I completely agree with you for the most part, especially about her signature songs not really truly showcasing her vocal ability.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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lol no.
She is towards the top but was and is never considered the best.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by MissBreakaway
Nope. Kelly and Leona beg to disagree.
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There is nothing Leona could do that Bey can't. That and the fact that Beyonce's voice is stronger, and a lot more complex puts her ahead.
Kelly can definitely give Bey a run for her money though.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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Originally posted by Havoc
There is nothing Leona could do that Bey can't. That and the fact that Beyonce's voice is stronger, and a lot more complex puts her ahead.
Kelly can definitely give Bey a run for her money though.
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Leona has a larger range and her whistle register is unmatched by Bey.
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Member Since: 5/20/2012
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
Leona has a larger range and her whistle register is unmatched by Bey.
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Not by much.
And unlike Bey, Leona's lower register is very weak.
Leona also can't do runs, and has none of the grit or growl that allows Bey to slay uptempos.
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Well, she's definitely fantastic, but I'm not sure whether I'd call her the vocal goddess of our generation.
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Member Since: 10/17/2011
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Originally posted by Ressti
Does it matter if "people" don't recognize her as the greatest singer. The fact is, she is the best out right now. There are plenty of singers that don't get a lot of props from the GP (Sarah Vaughan, Ella Fitzgerald, Dinah Washington), that doesn't change the fact that they are indeed the greatest vocalists. And some singers who do get props from the GP are really not that great (Celine Dion, Adele, Jennifer Hudson, Xtina). It deserves to be repeated IMO.
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General recognition certainly does matter when it comes to the question the OP asked - after all, I doubt highly that Beyonce is actually the best technical singer in the world, if you were to compare her to people singing in musical theater or opera, two fields in which the general lack of amplification and other modern forms of voice enhancement or distortion make having good vocal technique mandatory, as oppose to just an option. But of course those women (or men) are generally unknown to the public and therefore not part of the discussion at all. And Ella Fitzgerald was most certainly recognized in her own day as a great singer, so I don't understand your mentioning of her.
Your last sentence does go to my point - most people don't know about vocal technique, and more importantly, generally lack the "ear" (whether this is naturally, or they lack the training) to be able to judge vocal technique, which is why singers naturally gifted with a great tone or voice get so much acclaim. So when people start talking about the "best of a generation" (still waiting to see when said generation began), you are bringing up the issue of public acclaim, since obviously this thread is not discussing deeply the technical merits of Beyonce's voice vs. all the other relatively popular singers, to say nothing of those non-famous singers who no one here has the ability to discuss.
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