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Discussion: The Race Debate ft. Justin Timberlake - ATRL version
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The Race Debate ft. Justin Timberlake - ATRL version
This article mainly focuses on Justin Timberlake and the race debate surrounding him and his commercial success as opposed to his contemporaries who happen to be of a different race. Although this article focuses on JT, we are going to discuss race in general and its impact on music.
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The Justin Timberlake Race Debate
Written by Trent | Filed under Boiling Point,Justin Timberlake

Justin Timberlake looks sharp in this ‘The 20/20 Experience’ album promo pic.
Justin Timberlake’s The 20/20 Experience was only released last week but the set has already made chart history. Boasting massive opening sales and rave reviews from critics, the album has been lauded for returning R&B music to the top of the charts. Yet, does Timberlake’s success stem from the fact that he is white?
As much as debates relating to race have become increasingly taboo in the post-Obama era of popular culture, Timberlake’s accomplishments have presented an interesting case for us to discuss an interesting situation. Indeed, with R&B music currently marginalised on the airwaves, he has achieved what would be otherwise impossible for minority artists who have been struggling to find their footing on the charts during the last five years.
Despite its tiring length and a few dated productions by Timbaland – well, the shadow of the once revolutionary producer who has long lost his touch – The 20/20 Experience is undoubtedly a solid body of work that deserves positive recognition. In fact, if I made the time to review it, I would have given it at least a healthy 3.5 stars as Timberlake’s first undeniably R&B album and a risky ode to the Motown era.
However, although it boasts the highest opening sales for an R&B set since Usher’s Confessions in 2004, the material on The 20/20 Experience doesn’t reflect the way it was received by eager consumers. Rather, the album pales in comparison to the far more impressive works of several minority R&B acts during the last decade, including Miguel’s Kaleidoscope Dream.
This is where race – I prefer to say ethnicity but I’ll use the common lingo for the purposes of this article – becomes a fact. The 20/20 Experience sold 968K copies in the US during its first week but Miguel’s Kaleidoscope Dream has moved less than 350K since being released in September 2012 (six months ago). Even more established minority R&B acts, including Usher (post-Confessions) Beyonce, Mary J. Blige and Alicia Keys, haven’t come close to matching Timberlake’s sales. Is it because he is white?
Honestly, it is impossible to deny that Timberlake’s race has been a factor of his success. The simple fact that he is white man has given him access to a market that would otherwise ignore the music on The 20/20 Experience if he was Latino, African-American or just any shade of brown on a scale of Mariah Carey to Kelly Rowland. You know the members of the KKK aren’t publicly bumping and grinding to Miguel’s “Adorn”.
Usually, I would launch into a discussion that explains the difference between race, ethnicity and the various distinctions of colour that govern social stratification but this is not that type of blog. Now, let’s get back to the purpose of this article before I confuse the readers who don’t have vocabularies beyond the words ‘shade’, ‘hater’ and ‘drag’.

‘Justified’, ‘FutureSex/LoveSounds’ and ‘The 20/20 Experience’
There are several other major reasons for the success of The 20/20 Experience. Unlike Christina Aguilera, who changed her sound on so many occasions that she has yet to develop a steady core fan base, Timberlake has cultivated a following during the last ten years and they happily purchase his music. That audience also spans across various age groups, including the tough to convince over 35 crowd who represent the biggest album-buying market.
Timberlake’s music on The 20/20 Experience also represents an artist with a clear approach to his craft and that made it easier to satisfy his target audience. Usher, Ne-Yo and Chris Brown all tried to juggle both Dance/Pop and R&B with their respective albums, and the results were far from favourable. In fact, the former pair were repeatedly slammed by both fans and critics for abandoning their roots. The 20/20 Experience, on the other hand, is an artistic progression from his previous offering, FutureSex/LoveSounds, rather than a detour into new territory. It’s what Thriller was to Michael Jackson’s Off the Wall, although obviously not as good as either of those records.
Finally, Timberlake’s The 20/20 Experience promotional campaign has also been much larger than the most minority R&B acts. In addition to building momentum during the few months with timely releases and media propaganda, Timberlake performed on several major telecasts – Saturday Night Live and the 2013 Grammy Awards were the biggest – and teamed with DIRECTV, Bud Light Platinum, Clear Channel and Target for further support. Of course, we can’t forget the numerous placements he secured across radio and the internet. The handling of The 20/20 Experience by Timberlake’s label and management team has been flawless.
Therefore, Timberlake’s success with The 20/20 Experience was partially based on the fact that he is a white man but to assume that the colour of his skin, race or ethnicity were the sole contributors to his impact would be inaccurate. Yes, it would be nice to see minority artists excelling on the charts alongside Timberlake and labels proving them with similar support but until that great day finally arrives, we have to continue to dream the impossible dream. Long live The Great White Hope.

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Race is a very sensitive subject so lets handle this in a mature manner, thanks.
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Me personally, i don't consider the album a full R&B album. Sure, it does have a lot of R&B elements, but it's not a full R&B album as in R. Kelly or Maxwell type of R&B.
It's Pop with R&B elements. But i see where trent is coming from, although his last couple of posts have been really bad.
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It has nothing to do with race but with the fact Justin's album is better quality than the albums most of his R&B contemporaries put out.
Edit: Although this reminds of a similar discussion about Eminem
About the fact he's white in a black music culture but doing so extremely well.
I don't know if race is that much of a factor tho..
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I don't think it's a race thing, I think it's more of a case of his last albums being so successful. He's had a long break and he has a large fan base which probably explains his sales.
Miguel is still a relatively new artist, his stuff only gets played on urban radio because R&B isn't big at the moment. He hasn't been exposed to the world nearly as much as JT. I mean even Kelly Clarkson didn't know who he is at the Grammys.
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I don't know what race has to do with him making a full R&B album....
Since when did someone have to be a certain race to make R&B music?

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It's not a full R&B album.. and tbh, he has always been on the spotlight.. I don't think it's about race...
I mean, look at michael Jackson, he sold millions.. Beyonce has a great album, but she hasn't made an impact with her singles in forever.. she needs BOTH for sales. Not to mention, JT has been away from music in forever.. so there is that anticipation. tbh, if beyonce released an album after her Superbowl performance, she would see similar sales... the other artists album is crap!
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Originally posted by UhOh
I don't know what race has to do with him making a full R&B album....
Since when did someone have to be a certain race to make R&B music?

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 No one said that though
All that was said was that he is so successful while making music that his contemporaries (black) are also making and his race plays a factor in that success  as stated in the article.
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
It has nothing to do with race but with the fact Justin's album is better quality than the albums most of his R&B contemporaries put out.
Edit: Although this reminds of a similar discussion about Eminem
About the fact he's white in a black music culture but doing so extremely well.
I don't know if race is that much of a factor tho..
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You mean Usher's last, Frank's last, Miguel's last?
They all had a better album that 20/20
I'll give you that he had a better album that Ne-Yo, CB, and Trey Songz.
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The album is pop with R&B hints, it's not an R&B album, it's a pop album. The article is pointless.
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Interesting......
I stumbled across an article on Huff post that essentially asks the SAME question
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Originally posted by Yourfavefan
It's not a full R&B album.. and tbh, he has always been on the spotlight.. I don't think it's about race...
I mean, look at michael Jackson, he sold millions.. Beyonce has a great album, but she hasn't made an impact with her singles in forever.. she needs BOTH for sales. Not to mention, JT has been away from music in forever.. so there is that anticipation. tbh, if beyonce released an album after her Superbowl performance, she would see similar sales... the other artists album is crap!
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But how would you know that if you said yourself that you don't listen to R&B and wish that it would die off?
Anyway, Michael was releasing music in a very different, musically diverse time.
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Originally posted by G4L
I don't think it's a race thing, I think it's more of a case of his last albums being so successful. He's had a long break and he has a large fan base which probably explains his sales.
Miguel is still a relatively new artist, his stuff only gets played on urban radio because R&B isn't big at the moment. He hasn't been exposed to the world nearly as much as JT. I mean even Kelly Clarkson didn't know who he is at the Grammys.
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It hss everything to do wigh it. Its why he can get the promo and pull off r&b elements are be seen as cool but some black artists are seen as boring. He can sell like this with a pop, r&b and rock album. Could Miguel? And there is the answer.
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Usher, Ne-Yo and Chris Brown all tried to juggle both Dance/Pop and R&B with their respective albums, and the results were far from favourable.
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There's your answer. They sold out and lost most of their fans. Justin has stayed true to himself.
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Originally posted by MCBeth
You mean Usher's last, Frank's last, Miguel's last?
They all had a better album that 20/20
I'll give you that he had a better album that Ne-Yo, CB, and Trey Songz.
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Frank & Miguel aren't as established as Justin is so that explains why they didn't sell as much. Usher's idk. Lack of promo probably.
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It's always been this way white people been stealing our music since the Beatles and Elvis and have more success Because they are white . And they " Look" Appeal to more people if they think so . Not saying that's what Justin doing but his success at the moment comes from a wait of a long time for new music .
(I think what they are geting at is why can't a R&b Act with better music top the charts the way he is doing , because he's black ?
That's the real question
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It's entirely possible that race plays a large factor in this. Undoubtedly, his whiteness surely helps him in America. However I think the success is more due to the fact that his last album was so good, and it's been six years since then and people are craving for more.
What's most shocking to me is that the album is rather boring and yet it is still selling so well. Nothing is "bad" on the record but it all seems to sound like redone versions of FutureSex/LoveSounds leftovers, mixed with Michael Jackson-isms.
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Originally posted by swissman
What's most shocking to me is that the album is rather boring and yet it is still selling so well. Nothing is "bad" on the record but it all seems to sound like redone versions of FutureSex/LoveSounds leftovers, mixed with Michael Jackson-isms.
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THIS! I really am not impressed with the album at all. It feels like he just tried to re-create his last album and just fell very short of the magic FSLS had.
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I just think he makes great music & it's as simple as this. He's carved his own niche in music & that niche happens to be a successful one that caters to a whole variety of people.
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