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News: Transgender MMA Fighter Beating the Competition
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Transgender MMA Fighter Beating the Competition
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Born a man, Fallon Fox became a woman through surgery and then trained to fight in mixed martial arts.
Now that she has won her first two MMA bouts -- both in the first round -- she has gone public as a transgender fighter, the first on record in a popular sport that some consider as the successor to boxing.
"The reaction has been positive," said Fox, 37, who revealed her story recently to Sports Illustrated after a journalist with another publication began to investigate her private surgery. "It's just some people, some of society doesn't get it yet. And this is what we're trying to do now is to inform people and let them know about transgender athletes."
When asked if it's fair for a man-turned-woman fighter to face another woman in the ring, Fox said there was "no unfair competitive advantages."
What was unfair, her last opponent and her manager say, is how Fox didn't disclose until after the fight that Fox had a sex change operation.
That opponent, Ericka Newsome, was knocked out this month with "a tie clinch," or a knee to the chin, 39 seconds into the fight without anyone knowing of Fox's background.
It was "unfair I didn't know it, but it didn't matter that she fought me," Newsome told CNN. "I feel that it should have been disclosed to me ahead of time...so we are aware and able to be better prepared for the situation."
She and her manager are going to appeal the loss in Florida on the grounds of how Fox failed to disclose being a transgender person and how the referee stopped the fight too early.
"They should have let the fight go," manager Matt Hamilton said. "She should have thrown at least one to two more shots to confirm it. On that particular basis, that's one of the things we'll appeal with, as well as not having it disclosed."
Meanwhile, the California State Athletic Commission is reviewing a claim by Fox that the state gave her a fighting license in 2013 when in fact the commission says her license application is still being reviewed, Sports Illustrated reported.
Fox subsequently told Florida authorities that she had a California license, and now the Florida boxing commission is also reviewing Fox's license application, the magazine reported. Also, Fox admitted she didn't disclose to boxing authorities she is a transgender person but added she wasn't asked to either, the magazine said.
Sports Illustrated writer Loretta Hunt wrote of Fox's 2006 gender reassignment surgery and winning her pro debut in May 2012. Hunt told CNN that guidelines for the Association of Boxing Commissions are similar to the International Olympic Committee's policy that allows transsexuals to compete in Olympic games. The IOC requires transgender athletes to undergo hormone therapy long enough to remove gender-related advantages.
In fact, Hunt said, mixed martial arts guidelines don't require a sex-change surgery, but they do require two years of hormone therapy for transgender fighters.
"Whether it comes after the surgery or it's just on its own, that must be done and you must be tested throughout the two years," Hunt said. "Those papers must be submitted to the athletic commission for review."
Newsome wants to fight Fox again, Hamilton said.
"We would love a rematch," Hamilton said.
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Source: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/us/tra...ter/index.html
Thoughts???
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Member Since: 8/17/2009
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At the end of the day, he is still a man. & the fact that he choose to be in such a brutal profession & yet neglect letting ppl know that he was born a man when he knows he will be fighting women doesn't sit right with me.
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This is wrong. She is still pretty much a man without a penis and with bigger breasts. She's built like a man and has a man's physical power.
And I'm not transphobic, but this is just unfair for the women to fight a man in a professional sport.
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Well if the girls she's fighting don't have a problem
then I say let HAVE.
I like how instead of saying "Oh, MAN unfair!" she said she wanted to know so she could better prepare to drag her.
My kinda woman.
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SHE is not a man.
And have you seen the girl in this profession? They are all so strong and muscly, and are bigger than most men anyway, so it isn't like she has a great advantage.
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even she cut that dick,her muscle build still male muscle.....so it's fair to tell first to the opponent,she used to be a dude before................
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by stronger23
At the end of the day, he is still a man. & the fact that he choose to be in such a brutal profession & yet neglect letting ppl know that he was born a man when he knows he will be fighting women doesn't sit right with me.
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Stop calling her a he.
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Originally posted by Georges
This is wrong. She is still pretty much a man without a penis and with bigger breasts. She's built like a man and has a man's physical power.
And I'm not transphobic, but this is just unfair for the women to fight a man in a professional sport.
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Originally posted by boyamama
even she cut that dick,her muscle build still male muscle.....so it's fair to tell first to the opponent,she used to be a dude before................
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...44/1/index.htm
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There is no published medical data on precisely how long it takes to negate the athletic advantages of a lifetime of testosterone exposure. But one athlete has tackled the question in a personal way. Medical physicist Joanna Harper, 55, who was born male, began hormone therapy in order to transition to female in August '04. Harper had been competing as a male age-group distance runner for years, and she carefully documented the impact that suppressing testosterone and taking estrogen had on her running. "I thought I would get slower gradually," Harper says. Instead she started losing speed and strength within three weeks. "I felt the same when I ran," she says. "I just couldn't go as fast." In February, Harper won the 55-to-59 age group at the women's national cross-country championship in St. Louis, but she is a shadow of her former athletic self. As a man in 2003, Harper ran the Helvetia Half-Marathon in Portland in 1:23:11; in '05, as a woman, she finished the same race in 1:34:01, a difference of nearly 50 seconds per mile.
Factoring in age and gender-graded performance standards, though, Harper is almost exactly as good a female runner as she was as a male—and it took less than a year of hormone therapy to get that way. Data that Harper has collected from a half dozen other male-to-female runners tell a similar story. "It doesn't answer definitively the question of whether I have an advantage or not," she says. "But it's certainly strong evidence that my performances in both genders are approximately equal."
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Yall ****ing tried it.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
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Lol at this getting reported... 
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She probably listens to Beyoncé while
working out.
Beyoncé her power.
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The ignorance....Anyway, good for her. 
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Originally posted by Will_
She probably listens to Beyoncé while
working out.
Beyoncé her power.
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The random plug-in.  Did I miss something, or is this just totally out-of-the-blue?
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Originally posted by Artemisia
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I guess if the other women are ok, it should be allowed.
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Originally posted by Will_
She probably listens to Beyoncé while
working out.
Beyoncé her power.
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Who run the ring? Gurls!
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She still has the body of a man, though! Look at those ****in hands....knocking a woman out in 34 seconds?? And she doesn't have an advantage?? Lol,,,
You can put lipstick on a pig; its still a pig.
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Originally posted by KillaCham.
She still has the body of a man, though! Look at those ****in hands....knocking a woman out in 34 seconds?? And she doesn't have an advantage?? Lol,,,
You can put lipstick on a pig; its still a pig.
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Read my post.
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Member Since: 12/30/2010
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Read my post.
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About he/she running slower? It's MMA, not NFL. The fighter still has some of the same body characteristics of a male after puberty, like bone length.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by KillaCham.
About he/she running slower? It's MMA, not NFL. The fighter still has some of the same body characteristics of a male after puberty, like bone length.
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Yes, but that shows that if you take estrogen, your body's capabilities will change.
What does bone length have to do with anything? She isn't physically stronger as them because her muscles got weaker after taking estrogen. Her weight is already accounted for because of weight classes. And I'm sure she isn't the tallest woman in MMA.
Just what is the issue here? What advantage does she have that could have only been given to her because of her birth as a male?
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Yes, but that shows that if you take estrogen, your body's capabilities will change.
What does bone length have to do with anything? She isn't physically stronger as them because her muscles got weaker after taking estrogen. Her weight is already accounted for because of weight classes. And I'm sure she isn't the tallest woman in MMA.
Just what is the issue here? What advantage does she have that could have only been given to her because of her birth as a male?
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Bone length gives you a reach advantage. I'm just saying, there aren't studies sufficient and concrete enough to show there is 0% advantage.
But sh*t, this subject seems to have you pretty disgruntled. You got something to tell us? 
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Member Since: 3/26/2012
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This is gonna turn into the same thread as that bathroom one 
Even though she's a woman now, I don't think it's right. She was born a man, has the body structure of a man, and although basically a woman now, she still has some male characteristics. If the other women don't have a problem then idrc though.
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