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News: New black sexist,homophobic pope?
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And for the atheists that call the Bible a book of fairy tales; it is not. First of all the Bible isn't one book; it's a collection of books that have been written over a long period and by many different writers whit different styles of writing. Those "fairy tales" are actually allegories that tell a story with a moral message. Watch Life Of Pi and you will get it.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
Then how do know what to believe in? How do you know that what you're doing right and will get you in heaven? How do you know if your sins are actually sins? What the point of following the bible and it's rules in your everyday life it's just a bunch of indirect quotes?
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I'm going to go one question at the time.
1 - It should be personal. I know there is a God because I am a scientist and there is no way when you study science to just believe that everything falls together so perfectly without a heavenly creature's work. Just like Einstein said, the more he discovered things and the more he studied the universe, the more he was convinced of the irrefutable truth of a Higher being.
2 - The right and the wrong are basic notions, it is something we were all born with. When you do something bad you know it before someone has to tell you it's wrong. Those two notions existed long before the Bible or Religion. That's the only aspect we don't need guidance for.
3 - Same as question 2. You just know it.
4 - I don't think people should follow the Bible, it's a human's creation and outside of very few texts that were proven to be true historically like Jesus' arrival, Moses' predicting his arrival etc, there is no way to hold it as a magical book. Also that book is not literal, it's a combination of "stories" with ethical messages.
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christian popes are automatically homophobic and sexist due to the religion they're following so this is nothing new
but hey a black pope, that's pretty cool
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Thank god I'm an atheist.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
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Out of curiosity, which version of the Bible are the latter two taken from? Those verses are far more explicit than I have ever seen before.
Not that it particularly matters considering the Bible was written by man and each translation/edit has twisted everything.
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Originally posted by man*****
Why you girls acting like this is something new. The Pope is expected to be an extremely traditional religious figure. Yall expect him to come out with rainbows and play Gaga at church. Yall are awkward.
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He better play ARTPOP's new single at church or else he will get bullied.
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1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
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95% of ATRL is going to hell then. 
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
And for the atheists that call the Bible a book of fairy tales; it is not. First of all the Bible isn't one book; it's a collection of books that have been written over a long period and by many different writers whit different styles of writing. Those "fairy tales" are actually allegories that tell a story with a moral message. Watch Life Of Pi and you will get it.
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Is not like the actual Bible has the exact words and stories from those books, people translated it and manipulated it.
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Originally posted by BnPac
I'm going to go one question at the time.
1 - It should be personal. I know there is a God because I am a scientist and there is no way when you study science to just believe that everything falls together so perfectly without a heavenly creature's work. Just like Einstein said, the more he discovered things and the more he studied the universe, the more he was convinced of the irrefutable truth of a Higher being.
2 - The right and the wrong are basic notions, it is something we were all born with. When you do something bad you know it before someone has to tell you it's wrong. Those two notions existed long before the Bible or Religion. That's the only aspect we don't need guidance for.
3 - Same as question 2. You just know it.
4 - I don't think people should follow the Bible, it's a human's creation and outside of very few texts that were proven to be true historically like Jesus' arrival, Moses' predicting his arrival etc, there is no way to hold it as a magical book. Also that book is not literal, it's a combination of "stories" with ethical messages.
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1. Debatable. Somethings could just be above human comprehension. They're many theories on how the world was created. Just because we think it's difficult how it came out doesn't mean it actually is.
2. Not really. Morality is instilled by parents, grandparents, and teachers. It's not innate. As trite as it might sound, children live what they learn. If a child has parents who tell him, "We do not bite. We do not hit. We do not steal," they're instilling their sense of morality. On the flip side, if a kid has a parent who takes him to the local Wal-Mart and stuffs a bottle of soda under his shirt, he learns that stealing is okay because mommy does it all the time.
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This is no surprise. By the time there's a progressive, non-discriminatory Pope, Catholicism will be dead.
If even the leader of the Catholic Church and God's man on Earth etc. doesn't fully believe the holy text that grants him power then... 
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
Out of curiosity, which version of the Bible are the latter two taken from? Those verses are far more explicit than I have ever seen before.
Not that it particularly matters considering the Bible was written by man and each translation/edit has twisted everything.
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http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Romans%201.26%E2%80%9328
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
And for the atheists that call the Bible a book of fairy tales; it is not. First of all the Bible isn't one book; it's a collection of books that have been written over a long period and by many different writers whit different styles of writing. Those "fairy tales" are actually allegories that tell a story with a moral message. Watch Life Of Pi and you will get it.
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That all applies to fairy tales, too.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
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"New American Bible". I see.
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Just like every other Pope then.
The Catholic Church is irrelevant anyway.
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im here for a black pope and the meltdowns that will follow
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Ew.
A black pope though, wow...that's really great...yayyyyyyy
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where members of parliament are still fighting to introduce the death penalty for gay people.
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Originally posted by ToMmY
95% of ATRL is going to hell then.
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That's not what us Catholic's believe. I go to church and there a few gays in my youth group. We have talked about this with our priest many times. Being homosexual is not a sin and you won't go to hell for just being one. What has been debated for centuries is the act. But so have many other acts that are considered by some as being immoral and not immoral by others because the circumstances put a spin on the situation i.e. cannibalism for the purposes of survival and so on. What is important is not how many times you've committed something deemed immoral, but your personal commitment to follow God's guide and love through the rest of your life to your best of your ability. In the end he will be the ultimate judge.
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
Is not like the actual Bible has the exact words and stories from those books, people translated it and manipulated it.
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Well yeah, some things to get lost in translation. In the end it's your personal conscious and reason that counts. God won't hold it against you what you don't know. He doesn't work like US law "ignorance of the law is not an excuse."
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by BadBitch
2. Not really. Morality is instilled by parents, grandparents, and teachers. It's not innate. As trite as it might sound, children live what they learn. If a child has parents who tell him, "We do not bite. We do not hit. We do not steal," they're instilling their sense of morality. On the flip side, if a kid has a parent who takes him to the local Wal-Mart and stuffs a bottle of soda under his shirt, he learns that stealing is okay because mommy does it all the time.
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A kid never thinks stealing is right, he thinks it's okay to do it because his parents do but somewhere he knows it's not right or else he would just take something in front of everybody and walked out the store unbothered. Morality is not the same as knowing what's wrong and what's right. You can inherit a bad morality from your parents but that doesn't mean you are not aware it's bad.
But that's an old philosophical debate, there are people who support each theory.
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