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Discussion: Does Rihanna have artistic presence ?
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Originally posted by LDYGG
The delusion.
It is fact that Rihanna has little say in her career. Do you know how Def Jam works? Rihanna doesn't write, compose, produce, and she doesn't play any instruments. She also doesn't direct or come up with her own video treatments.
The problem is that people hyperbolate the facts. They think it is such a bad thing for a popstar to be a puppet. That is a popstar's job. Rihanna is not an artist, she is a popstar. On the contrary, someone like Lady Gaga writes, composes, and co-produces all of her music, often times co-designs her own clothing, and writes her own video treatments. That's what makes an artist.
To make it easier to understand, an artist is someone who creates art. Rihanna does not create art. Not because I don't think what she does is art, but because she is not the creator. She sings over tracks other people create. She stars in music videos other people write for her. She puts on shows other people design for her. Do you get it? She is not the creator, she is simply a vessel for other artists' visions. And that's not a bad thing, that's why she's so successful. Rihanna fans need to get over their pride and just accept it. Rihanna accepts it and doesn't care.
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So, if I understand correctly, you really think that for example legendary opera singers like Maria Callas, Placido Domingo, Luciano Pavarotti or virtuosi like Jascha Heifetz, Itzhak Perlman, Arthur Rubinstein or many dancers who are interpreting choreographies by other people (like for example Anna Pavlova in the famous Swan Lake composed by Tchaikovsky and choreographed by Reisinger), famous singers who were mostly known as excellent interpreteurs of songs written for them like Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, ATRL friendly Whitney Houston or great actors like Greta Garbo, Marlene Dietrich, Marlon Brando who were acting according written scenario and directors were telling them what and how to do something etc. have no right to be called artists just because they were not directly involved in creating, just interpreting it? .... k, but I strongly disagree.
Art has many forms, and I refer to those legends as artists, because they certainly ennobled performances to art thanks to their outstanding, breathtaking abilities /skills and allowed us to see/hear/appreciate masterpieces in their finest form.
But to be honest, everything around Rihanna seem very average. I believe that art is not only in what you do, its also in how you do it. Not everyone who draws a picture is considered an artist, you know.
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She definitely has a signature style, I'll give her that. Some of her videos are striking, but that's due to the directors and producers of said video. In my opinion, she has absolutely no stage presence. Shaky, off key vocals, zero stage presence, and little to no dance moves other than the occasional dutty wine is what you can expect from a Rihanna performance.
She makes cute songs though.
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
She's the one who chooses what music she will record, her 40 million albums sold and 12 #1 singles in the US are all due to her great ear for music. Why coming in here throwing your 2 cents when you clearly dont know ****?  |
Her team picks her hits, and she doesnt add anything to songs no runs,harmonies she sang diamonds exactly the Demo like i said no input 
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Originally posted by NoxGood
Her team picks her hits, and she doesnt add anything to songs no runs,harmonies she sang diamonds exactly the Demo like i said no input |
What sort of Hogcock?
She's the one who heard Stay and relentlessly asked Micky to give her the damn song. Rih has a great ear and she puts it to use on ALL the songs that SHE chooses for HER album.
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
What sort of Hogcock?
She's the one who heard Stay and relentlessly asked Micky to give her the damn song. Rih has a great ear and she puts it to use on ALL the songs that SHE chooses for HER album. |
After her team reviews it
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Originally posted by LDYGG
The delusion.
It is fact that Rihanna has little say in her career. Do you know how Def Jam works? Rihanna doesn't write, compose, produce, and she doesn't play any instruments. She also doesn't direct or come up with her own video treatments.
The problem is that people hyperbolate the facts. They think it is such a bad thing for a popstar to be a puppet. That is a popstar's job. Rihanna is not an artist, she is a popstar. On the contrary, someone like Lady Gaga writes, composes, and co-produces all of her music, often times co-designs her own clothing, and writes her own video treatments. That's what makes an artist.
To make it easier to understand, an artist is someone who creates art. Rihanna does not create art. Not because I don't think what she does is art, but because she is not the creator. She sings over tracks other people create. She stars in music videos other people write for her. She puts on shows other people design for her. Do you get it? She is not the creator, she is simply a vessel for other artists' visions. And that's not a bad thing, that's why she's so successful. Rihanna fans need to get over their pride and just accept it. Rihanna accepts it and doesn't care.
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After all this babbling, can you tell me what is the proof that she doesn't otherwise ?
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
What sort of Hogcock?
She's the one who heard Stay and relentlessly asked Micky to give her the damn song. Rih has a great ear and she puts it to use on ALL the songs that SHE chooses for HER album. |
I'm so sorry about this Edge. There's no reason you should have been reported. No reason AT ALL.
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Originally posted by NoxGood
After her team reviews it
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If you saw the year of 4 video, you will see Bey and Columbia listening to the album. That's the point of being signed to a label, they are not an indie artist so of course the label has to voice their opinion about the product.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I'm so sorry about this Edge. There's no reason you should have been reported. No reason AT ALL.
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okk? it was an accident im on mobile
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She doesn't have all that much. Her vocals and singing technique isn't great enough to be praised upon, while she may pick her songs any one can do that. There's a formula to a hit song. She's a Popstar, its what she is. She's there to sell singles. There's nothing wrong about that.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I'm so sorry about this Edge. There's no reason you should have been reported. No reason AT ALL.
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Originally posted by DripDrip
She doesn't have all that much. Her vocals and singing technique isn't great enough to be praised upon, while she may pick her songs any one can do that. There's a formula to a hit song. She's a Popstar, its what she is. She's there to sell singles. There's nothing wrong about that.
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Her vocals weren't the strongest in the past but with EVERY performance so far this era, she's received nothing BUT praise. The creative direction she took with Unapologetic wasn't expected and while the addition of NB somewhat diminished the shine, the positives were overwhelming.
And no. Not anyone can just pick a smash song. Rih has an affinity to recording hit songs on a consistent basis, which something every other pop girl has lacked. She also has the star power to sell her music, another X factor that many pop girls lack. And lastly, she has the appeal to the GP that allows her music to be constantly played and not pulled from the radio, yet another factor that many pop girls lack.
With that said, Rih controls her image, her vision and her artistry and knows exactly who she is when she performs to us on stage.
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Yes she does. I see people running in here determines that she doesn't, but she does.
Each and every album she executively produces. This means she's in charge, at least partially, of how the album looks, sounds, and is presented to the public. Each era is different, with different themes underlying the album and with different singles and performances. Yes, sometimes they blend together, but that doesn't matter, the artistry is absolutely there.
She may not have always been artistic but she is now. Her voice is enough to deem this correct but if you don't buy that OR the fact that she's an executive behind her albums (90% of Pop artists are not), look to the fact that she's writing her own material as well as of Unapologetic.
She may not be the most artistic pop girl but she is definitely in the upper half.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
So, if I understand correctly, you really think that for example legendary opera singers like Maria Callas, Placido Domingo, Luciano Pavarotti or virtuosi like Jascha Heifetz, Itzhak Perlman, Arthur Rubinstein or many dancers who are interpreting choreographies by other people (like for example Anna Pavlovna the famous Swan Lake composed by Tchaikovsky and choreographed by Reisinger), famous singers who were mostly known as excellent interpreteurs of songs written for them like Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, ATRL friendly Whitney Houston or great actors like Greta Garbo, Marlen Dietrich, Marlon Brando who were acting according written scenario and directors were telling them what and how to do something etc. have no right to be called artists just because they were not directly involved in creating, just interpreting it? .... k, but I strongly disagree.
Art has many forms, and I certainly refer to those legends as artists, because they certainly ennobled performances to art thanks to their outstanding, breathtaking skills / abilities and allowed us to see/hear/appreciate masterpieces in their finest form.
But to be honest, everything around Rihanna seem very average. I believe that art is not only in what you do, its also in how you do it. Not everyone who draws a picture is considered an artist, you know.
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It is a shame that today if you don't write your music that you aren't seen as good of an artist as someone that does (although technically if you can do 1 thing and do another 1 thing, then you're at 2 things, which is more than 1 thing).
All those people you named are artists, but "artist" is a very broad term so we should not get too bogged down on the semantics of it. Ella and Frank may not have created much, but they certainly were the very best at what they did (vocals). Garbo and Brando may have been directed, but they certainly were talented and had their own distinct style.
Rihanna definitely has her own style, and she works it very well. She truly is unlike no one else and has a knack for always being "cool". She may not write her music or whatever, but that doesn't take away from what you hear on the recording. It's totally unfair to say that Rihanna isn't an artist. But given all this, it's also fair to say that there are a lot of other pop stars who are more of an artist than she is. Let's not forget that when you say Ella Fitzgerald, Frank Sinatra, Maria Callas, Placido Domingo, Greta Garbo, Marlon Brando etc, you never think about how many number one hits, albums, films or whatever they had. You think about their artistry.
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 a resounding NO... but she lucked out since she's a pop tart and pure creativity is not really expected or required by the "artist"
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Yes she does, but its not really a huge part of her persona because she's a popstar.
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At the very least she beats out other pop girls in terms of artistic presence, i.e. Britney, Ke$ha, Nicki, Katy... etc.
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It doesn't appear so, no. I think the point about her being a vessel as opposed to a creator is fitting.
The go-to retort that some legends didn't write their music etc is somewhat valid, but forgets that they usually were classed as singers. Their "art" lies in their usually notable voices.
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