Chart Listings: Hot 100 Formula Revamped... AGAIN: "Harlem Shake" #1 - Page 15

Cap10Planet

Does this include live performances as well? Because "Skyfall" should have an excellent week.

MusicTalker

I thought I was close to figuring out the formula but sigh it doesn't work.

fortheloveofmusic

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Originally posted by satnicoledraisJL™

Run the World (Girls) could have been a top 10 hit.

You ain't right

I Will Always Love You would have been #1 the week after she passed away

theo.

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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions

Because songs people check out for a gimmicky appeal/humor =/= people buying a song because it's good and they like it.

The Hot 100 is a ranking of the most popular songs in the country, not of the songs with the most quality.

If a 100 million "check out" a gimmick song, its not more popular than 400,000 people buying another song?

Vespertine

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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions

Because songs people check out for a gimmicky appeal/humor =/= people buying a song because it's good and they like it.

Exactly. I can't see how (that earlier poster) doesn't see how the mere thought of Friday by Rebecca Black being #1 is ridiculous??

It also doesn't even reflect the actual popularity of a song in the US, because YT views are WORLDWIDE and probably are mostly contributed to by teenagers in the case of novelty songs. So should these types of songs be more "successful" just because a bunch of rabid teenagers watch stupid 30 sec parody videos on repeat? Meanwhile a serious song that people from all age groups are buying, listening to on the radio + Spotify, etc. shouldn't be?

In the end it just de-legitimizes the Hot 100 even more.

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Originally posted by Pie-kun

This is going to be REALLY unfair to people like P!nk and Kelly Clarkson, they've both been around for a long time and have been able to consistently put out hits, but don't happen to generate strong YouTube views. Think of how many #1s and top 10s they may miss out on due to this rule.

Exactly. I'm no fan of either of them but I can't deny they deserve their chart positions based on people listening to the SONG.

Pie-kun

GS was stolen its #1 spot, but it didn't deserve it because of its YT views, it deserved it because of its sales. If you want to fix that problem, give MORE weight to sales, not less.

Guero

I would have been fine with this if they only included official videos by the artist.

theo.

People listen to songs primarily, not buy them.

Ain't nobody got time for that.

This obviously filter views from outside the US

And adults use novelty songs, too. Check out YT for some Harlem Shake vids and see for yourself.

Right Now

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Originally posted by Pie-kun

This is going to be REALLY unfair to people like P!nk and Kelly Clarkson, they've both been around for a long time and have been able to consistently put out hits, but don't happen to generate strong YouTube views. Think of how many #1s and top 10s they may miss out on due to this rule.

And when you think about it, 100 million isn't THAT many weekly views, not enough to give it a three and a half times advantage over a song that sold twice as much as it did and has infinitely times more radio support. Sure 100 million is a lot, but many of the top pop girls can easily generate 10 million views from a new music video in a week. Then think of ALL the YouTube videos people upload with new songs (official lyric videos, hundreds of user-made lyric videos, user-uploaded copies of the music video, parody videos) and then consider that you don't even need to play the whole song, most of Harlem Shuffle's views come from 30 second videos.

Maybe they should try something new?

Vespertine

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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox

If a 100 million "check out" a gimmick song, its not more popular than 400,000 people buying another song?

100 million views =/= 100 million people, and 400k in sales is pretty significant indicator of popularity considering how few people actually buy music. Comparing views to sales is a classic case of "you can't compare apples and oranges"

Parks

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Originally posted by Cap10Planet

Does this include live performances as well? Because "Skyfall" should have an excellent week.

nnnnn I didn't think about this.

theo.

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Originally posted by dyylannn

100 million views =/= 100 million people, and 400k in sales is pretty significant indicator of popularity considering how few people actually buy music. Comparing views to sales is a classic case of "you can't compare apples and oranges"

I didn't say 100 million views, did I?

"...considering how few people actually buy music."

ummmm yeah

RudeBoyy

The hot 100 is about the most popular songs in the country.

While if a video is popular on YouTube it is probably popular in general, idk about the importance of it.

Sales determine how popular a song is by a lot so that should be about 65 %

Radio airplay should be about 35 because AirPlay contributes a lot to AirPlay.

Streaming is irrelevant, lots of artist won't even put up there songs. The fact that they are insisting on making this a random ass free for all is depressing and inspirational.

I'm going to see how long it takes me to debut on the chart

RihMark

omfggg Rihanna is coming for 64 #1's noooo

Mastamaind

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Originally posted by dyylannn

But it seems like there's a new big viral hit pretty frequently now. Gangnam Style could've been #1 for MONTHS under this formula. Then not too long after it died down, we have Harlem Shake, which is clearly going to stay popular for awhile. After Harlem Shake, there will be something else. I just don't see how this is fair to anyone but stupid viral songs (a new one every few months) and big pop stars like 1D/Bieber/Katy/Gaga/Rihanna (in the weeks between big viral songs).

Seriously, Friday and Bed Intruder could've been "hits" under this formula

Ridiculous

'Friday' wasn't getting more views than the major stars at the time. It could have been a Top 10 hit, don't think it could have been Top 5. Maybe they're counting the "Like/Dislike" factor, too?

Doc

This is so stupid. I do not understand how millions of views of a 30 sec clip of a song makes a song deserving of the No1 spot. Like it's not even the full damn song.

It's ridiculous.

Vespertine

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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox

I didn't say 100 million views, did I?

"...considering how few people actually buy music."

ummmm yeah

What exactly did you mean by "check out" then? Unless you know some way of telepathically "checking out" videos without viewing them that I haven't heard of. All I'm saying is you can't compare YT stats to sales, it just doesn't make sense.

And I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at there. Sure single sales are the highest they've ever been, but the majority of people are still illegally downloading singles... does a crazy popular Rihanna song selling a few million copies max in a country of 300+ million people accurately represent how many people actually have that song on their iPod?

Praise Mariallah

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Originally posted by iStanGaga

Looks like Rick Astley missed his chance on a comeback.

Just the very thought of Rick Astley slaying the girls.

ToxDuris

Damn must be hard as **** to be a Rihanna hater now uh.

theo.

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Originally posted by Doc

This is so stupid. I do not understand how millions of views of a 30 sec clip of a song makes a song deserving of the No1 spot. Like it's not even the full damn song.

It's ridiculous.

It's the most popular song in the country...