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Celeb News: Clive Davis: MJackson Plotted to End Brother Jermaine Career
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Originally posted by CloseMyEyes
I mean the way Michael undermine Paul McCartney to buy the Beatles catalog, are u guys really saying he isn't capable of doing something like this to his own family?
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Michael made the smartiest move in history by buying the beatles catalog, i mean who wouldn't, it's a billion dollar franchise, and like another poster stated, the two remained friends after the fact. Most of the time Michael's family took advantage of him, his younger brother Randy is the reason why he went into so much debt, he also ended up paying child support for Jermaine's children ect. Michael was a lot of things but selfish was not one of them.
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This sounds very untrue.
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Originally posted by FreeXone
Janet didn't even want to sing,. Joe made her, and Jimmy Jam made her huge. Michael couldn't stop that not to mention MICHAEL GAVE JANET the idea for Rhythm Nation. One of Janets most iconic music videos and most successful album to date in her career.
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That's a reach. His video thing gave her the idea for the military dance moves/theme, not the entire album or any of the music. And he didn't "give" her that, either.
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Originally posted by slw84
What can I say? MJ just didn't want to compete with Rebbie's 'Centipede' and I don't blame him.
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And no, Michael Jackson did not give Janet the idea for Rhythm Nation album, only the video and theme (His military garb + Captain EO choreo). But obviously he was a big influence on her life and MJ had already done several socially conscious records. I think Janet was inspired by some of the songs and sounds off "Bad", like Dirty Diana and Man in the Mirror. Your older siblings always influence you in some way. But she inspired him a lot too. The Dangerous album being the most obvious example.
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After Kelly's exposure, who's to say that he didn't exaggerate the story about Michael too?
 Some people will just believe anything they see when it comes to someone they never liked
I still don't see why he would even care to "sabotage" Latoya's career like she had one to begin with
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I love how he said michael stole babyface when Michael was working with Teddy Riley in the late 80's and the ONLY time Michael worked with Babyface was in 1995.
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This guy begging for a lawsuit
*Waits for Janet to clock him*

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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
That's a reach. His video thing gave her the idea for the military dance moves/theme, not the entire album or any of the music. And he didn't "give" her that, either.
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Well the way she tells it, she asked, and he allowed it.
Regardless of what, Michael's biggest competition was himself. None of the other brothers could touch him, with or without sabotage.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
That's a reach. His video thing gave her the idea for the military dance moves/theme, not the entire album or any of the music. And he didn't "give" her that, either.
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Didnt Michael try to take jimmy & terry from Janet during the Janet. Era? This is pointless of course cause Michael is a soft spoken angel who could do no wrong. ,kl
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Originally posted by CloseMyEyes
Didnt Michael try to take jimmy & terry from Janet during the Janet. Era? This is pointless of course cause Michael is a soft spoken angel who could do no wrong. ,kl
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You're just making **** up now..
During the Janet. era Michael was touring the world and facing the allegations. He didn't start working on his next album until late 1994 and if you can remember, Janet was on that album.
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Originally posted by rbautz
At least we know now it wasn't a disease that he changed from black to white.
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Originally posted by rbautz
Come on, we know how it works.
2 possibilities
He suffered from the disease and got medical treatment.
Or he want to get a white skin by all costs, he goes to the doctors say to them I have a disease and gives them some 100k for a chemical treatment.
In both cases it would be in the autopsie.
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Both doctors who did MJs autopsies (yes, there were two autopsies) independently stated that there were clearly visible vitiligo marks on his body, especially legs even after so much bleaching treatment he received to mask it. Believe me, vitiligo marks are easily recognizable and MJ was dead, so why would they lie about them?
Doctors dont know how to bring back pigment yet, they only know how to bleach skin. Bleaching is usually recommended to people who suffer from vitiligo when more than 30% of their skin is affected.
Yes, MJ was not happy with the way he looked, its clear when you look at his pics through the years, but he didnt lie about vitiligo. I bet that disease was just one more complex he had, so he tried to solve it drastically.
If I were in that condition, like someone here already said, I would undero it too instead of buying expensive make up and spending hours in bathroom before leaving my house every ******* day, especially if I were interesting subject for paparazzi... not to mention that skin diseases always have terrible effect on private live and love relationships, so its understandable why people are choosing bleaching... This world is shallow, you know, the look is very important for a popstar, so I dont blame him.
I agree that he was most likely addicted to plastic surgery tho.
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
I'm a huge MJ fan, trust me i know.
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You're a huge MJ fan so you MUST automatically be right over someone who has been in the industry for decades and actually knows the artists.
Your forum name ends in 97 that would maybe tell me you're 16-yrs old. Either way, I'd rather trust someone who is in the industry than a huge MJ fan.
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Originally posted by Ressti
You're just making **** up now..
During the Janet. era Michael was touring the world and facing the allegations. He didn't start working on his next album until late 1994 and if you can remember, Janet was on that album.
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I'm not making anything up. It was before she recorded the Janet album after the success of control.
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Originally posted by CloseMyEyes
I'm not making anything up. It was before she recorded the Janet album after the success of control.
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That's a large gap... 1988? 1989? 1990 or 1991? Are you talking about the Rhythm Nation era? Michael was working with Teddy Riley and Bill Bottrell on Dangerous  He didn't start working with them until 1994.
He's an interview with Jimmy and Terry talking about MJ. He never approached them before 1994.
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Originally posted by PorcelainCrack
You're a huge MJ fan so you MUST automatically be right over someone who has been in the industry for decades and actually knows the artists.
Your forum name ends in 97 that would maybe tell me you're 16-yrs old. Either way, I'd rather trust someone who is in the industry than a huge MJ fan.
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Clive Davis never ever worked with MJ. All the tea about MJ's business and family was spilled back in 2009-2010 by people that actually knew him, including all the producers that were lucky enough to work with him. The rest was written in tell all books by ex-wives. None of this **** is true.
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Originally posted by PorcelainCrack
You're a huge MJ fan so you MUST automatically be right over someone who has been in the industry for decades and actually knows the artists.
Your forum name ends in 97 that would maybe tell me you're 16-yrs old. Either way, I'd rather trust someone who is in the industry than a huge MJ fan.
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To my knowledge Clive Davis never had a personal relationship with Michael, therefore he knows just as much about Michael than i do. With that being said i've meet and spoken with people close to Michael Jackson, and the picture they paint does not match Mr. Davis description. Michael was by no means a saint, but he was not this evil monster, the haters and the press made him out to be.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Both doctors who did MJs autopsies (yes, there were two autopsies) independently stated that there were clearly visible vitiligo marks on his body, especially legs even after so much bleaching treatment he received to mask it. Believe me, vitiligo marks are easily recognizable and MJ was dead, so why would they lie about them?
Doctors dont know how to bring back pigment yet, they only know how to bleach skin. Bleaching is usually recommended to people who suffer from vitiligo when more than 30% of their skin is affected.
Yes, MJ was not happy with the way he looked, its clear when you look at his pics through the years, but he didnt lie about vitiligo. I bet that disease was just one more complex he had, so he tried to solve it drastically.
If I were in that condition, like someone here already said, I would undero it too instead of buying expensive make up and spending hours in bathroom before leaving my house every ******* day, especially if I were interesting subject for paparazzi... not to mention that skin diseases always have terrible effect on private live and love relationships, so its understandable why people are choosing bleaching... This world is shallow, you know, the look is very important for a popstar, so I dont blame him.
I agree that he was most likely addicted to plastic surgery tho.
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I'm not a doctor but I could imagine that when you bleach your skin that the effect isn't consistent and some different marks are there.
And like you said he may had some impurities and he called it vitilligo but it seems his method was a little drastic.
Like the brother in his song said, it seems more a mental thing than a disease (OK Vitiligo is often a mental disease)
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Originally posted by rbautz
I'm not a doctor but I could imagine that when you bleach your skin that the effect isn't consistent and some different marks are there.
And like you said he may had some impurities and he called it vitilligo but it seems his method was a little drastic.
Like the brother in his song said, it seems more a mental thing than a disease (OK Vitiligo is often a mental disease)
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Dude, the autopsy stated that he had Vitilligo, why is this so hard for you to understand. If Michael wanted to be white, why did he spend 5 years covering himself in makeup to appear black? Why did he spend million of dollars on spray tans? Why was the disease found in his blood?. And Jermaine has been known to be the snake of the family, not only did he take money from both his Mother and Brother, he also stole his younger brother Randy Jacksons, wife. Jermaine was bitter and pressed at the time because he didn't get his phone call returned, years later the two made up, and Jermaine himself retracted his comments made on his brother. So before making comments on something you clearly know little about, do some research.
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Originally posted by rbautz
I'm not a doctor but I could imagine that when you bleach your skin that the effect isn't consistent and some different marks are there.
And like you said he may had some impurities and he called it vitilligo but it seems his method was a little drastic.
Like the brother in his song said, it seems more a mental thing than a disease (OK Vitiligo is often a mental disease)
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Vitiligo is not a mental disease, it's an autoimmune disease... (Apparently Michael also suffered from Lupus, which several people have mentioned and he could have been in remission for. If you look up pictures of him in the 80's, he had the butterfly rash associated with Lupus. It's also an autoimmune disease) Vitiligo is also hereditary.
This isn't something he just came up with, i'm pretty sure he had several doctors advise him. He tried to hide it for most of the 80's. Even up til Bad he was still using "darker" make-up to hide it. Even in the "Black or White" videos, his hands were still brown.
He was not the only one who's suffered from this condition and there are plenty of examples on the internet of people who turned completely white. They all had medical help to get there (creams), because once it gets that extreme there's no turning back.
Anyway, it was confirmed by doctors, while he was alive and dead. There's no point to this conversation.
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But who knows what to believe now that Clive Davis has been exposed as a liar?
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Originally posted by rbautz
Clive “I felt it would be wrong for me to tell an artist to take a song off an album.
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Hmm...is that why he told Kelly that she couldn't put out Because of You on her album?
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