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Also, less meaningless sex and more romance in your songs please.
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lol, IWG tanked worldwide and the only place where it did well was on USA POP radio. It reached a high audience overall due to the change in panels/markets/various other factors but it was NOT a bigger radio hit than BOMT/Toxic/Womanizer/Circus. It just reached an artificially higher airplay value.....which really means nothing. lol, the digital sales and album sales were blah, and like I said before, the song tanked globally.
S&S on the other hand, is legitimately slaughtering in ALL aspects on a GLOBAL level. This IS her biggest hit, commercially, since BOMT. And it's becoming harder and harder to argue that.
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lol, Britney is NOT the only reason this song is a hit. Don't be delusional. She's not even the main reason. The fact is that people love to bop to it and it's FUN to dance to.
Maybe the song wouldn't have got the initial attention that it did due to Britney being on it, but if another female was on it, say Rihanna or Kesha, it would be just as big.
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Eww, it definitely wouldn't have done as well with Ke$ha's local ass. 
Rihanna I agree with though, obviously.
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Also, a little less meaningless sex and more romance please.
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No thank you! Less meaningless sex, more HEARTBREAK material. That's where the bang is at.
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Well, I think FF was the wake up call. She'll always use pop music but will infuse more adult sounds...
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Shade DOWNNN, duca
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2012!
The year Britney got her biggest hit since Baby One More TIme 
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page 2013 will surely have meltdowns in its theme.
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I agree. I want Britney to tackle more mature lyrics, and themes... But she's 31. I'm by no way expecting that Ray Of Light album anytime soon. Plus a Ray Of Light album will not work for a 31 year old. It would come off a bit different than a near 40 year old Madonna. He'll at 31 Madonna was doing Like A Prayer and Erotica. Hardly Ray Of Light.
Maybe she should try something like a Like A Prayer, or a Velvet Rope.
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She doesn't need to go Ray of light until after she is removed from conservatorship and is in another happy relationship on its way to marriage and more kids.
She needs to use state of grace, mature, freedom, euphoric etc. That can be reserved for albums 9, 10 and 11.
For now, she's getting to a place of having more control soon so she should have music about taking control as well.
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Honestly, it's funny with Britney. Some of her most mature material came from the ITZ era (Touch Of My Hand, Breathe On Me, Everytime, Shadow, etc), but since then, she has retreated from that direction.
Original Doll would've been that Adult Contemporary/Pop sound-like album, but that was scrapped and since then we've been given EDM and light pop. I really doubt she'll go to an adult sound with the next album; it'll be filled with Urban dance music, book it. All we can do is wait and see what they have in store for us with album.
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OD would have been ahead of the curve and fit 2005/6s mixed melting pot. Could have been another credit to her but she got pregnant again...
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No thank you! Less meaningless sex, more HEARTBREAK material. That's where the bang is at.
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YES. That too.
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
If we say IWG tanked WW, then we how to say Circus tanked WW as well. IWG charted just as well, and even better globally in some markets. And Circus actually had comeback hype attached to it.
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"Circus" made IFPI's year-end top 10. How can you even compare it to "I Wanna Go? It did better in every market. Its peaks weren't impressive because it was overshadowed by "Womanizer" but it had longevity and it sold well.
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2013
The year of Urban Britney
Like it or not
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I don't know why people keep trying to paint ITZ as some "mature" album. Yes, she has a big hand in it, production wise and writing wise...and good for her But let's be real, she was singing about getting crunk in the club, being as sexy as she wanted to be, dancing in her underwear, touching herself, backing up her rump, dancing against the music, having a hangover, sex, some more sex, and more sex etc etc.
It had Everytime and Shadow (something more heartfelt and emotional, but that is 2 songs). It had mature themes, and wasn't as hook driven as compared to today, but it was hardly looking into the depths of her soul and allowing us to find out what she was thinking There is a difference between mature material and mature thematic'.
And with the people she is working with it seems like it will be a return to that. But I hardly doubt we will be hearing anything new.
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
I don't know why people keep trying to paint ITZ as some "mature" album. Yes, she has a big hand in it, production wise and writing wise...and good for her But let's be real, she was singing about getting crunk in the club, being as sexy as she wanted to be, dancing in her underwear, touching herself, backing up her rump, dancing against the music, having a hangover, sex, some more sex, and more sex etc etc.
It had Everytime and Shadow (something more heartfelt and emotional, but that is 2 songs). It had mature themes, and wasn't as hook driven as compared to today, but it was hardly looking into the depths of her soul and allowing us to find out what she was thinking There is a difference between mature material and mature thematic'.
And with the people she is working with it seems like it will be a return to that. But I hardly doubt we will be hearing anything new. |
ITZ was a mature album, but not completely (she still had some fluff on there). Just because there was content of showing her being sexually liberated, doesn't mean it's not mature content. Some of Madonna and Janet's greatest material contained sexual themes and grind-like material. Velvet Rope by Janet was so hot, yet had a mature sound to it (had critical acclaim as well).
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lol, Britney is NOT the only reason this song is a hit. Don't be delusional. She's not even the main reason. The fact is that people love to bop to it and it's FUN to dance to.
Maybe the song wouldn't have got the initial attention that it did due to Britney being on it, but if another female was on it, say Rihanna or Kesha, it would be just as big.
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Please, Britney is the reason that it is a hit. The only reason why it's had longevity is because it is catchy but having Rihanna or Kesha on a song doesn't mean it would be a hit. I mean c'mon now.
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
Here's what I think: Femme Fatale was Britney's last album before the Big 3-0, so why not cram a careless teenage-driven pop album before she becomes too old (in pop years) and can't realistically do those songs anymore?
It's probably another reason why the meatier seventh album was scrapped, you can ALWAYS release a deep album, but with the songs like those on 'Femme Fatale' -- Britney's window was closing fast and it had to be put out there.
That's why I think Album 8 is going to be meatier in terms of lyrics and artistry. At her core, Britney will always be a popstar - so the baseline subject matter will always remain - but I think her team knows that it's time for something with substance.
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YASS. As I stated before during the FF era, I think they know that this is the last time she can get away with it before the big 3-0. They barely got away with it.
I mean she kept praising criminal and he about to lose me and was going in the global sound direction that Rodney jerkins pushed back in 2010 but Dr. Luke came in and the rest is history.
Do ppl think Rodney is just going to try and create Dr. Luke 2.0 songs...no he will continue in the he about to lose me vein.
She will have urban sounding sounds that are still pop but are more relatable to a wide audience + classic dance songs with a progressive song.
Basically, classic dance songs + shadow/everytime/he about to lose me/break the ice/blur/unusual you/shattered glass/i run away/when i found you + her usual quirky one of kind tunes toxic/how i roll?/piece of me/i just begun having my fun.
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I don't know why people keep trying to paint ITZ as some "mature" album. Yes, she has a big hand in it, production wise and writing wise...and good for her But let's be real, she was singing about getting crunk in the club, being as sexy as she wanted to be, dancing in her underwear, touching herself, backing up her rump, dancing against the music, having a hangover, sex, some more sex, and more sex etc etc.
It had Everytime and Shadow (something more heartfelt and emotional, but that is 2 songs). It had mature themes, and wasn't as hook driven as compared to today, but it was hardly looking into the depths of her soul and allowing us to find out what she was thinking There is a difference between mature material and mature thematic'.
And with the people she is working with it seems like it will be a return to that. But I hardly doubt we will be hearing anything new. |
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Scream & Shout is not bigger than Oops or Toxic commercially, especially, Oops. The landscape of songs and charts are completely different than how they were pre-digital era. The top global songs chart is constantly getting rearranged year after year, due to the digital age. a $4 single back in the day (with the original song and a few lame remixes)< 99 cent/$1.29 digital song. Charts that once use to pay dust to sales mostly are now a contributing factor. The impact of Oops and Toxic are unparalleled to SnS, but that doesn't demean the success of the latter.
I know it's been awhile since y'all seen a smash global hit like this, but let's not get carried away. In the end, Scream & Shout, will more than likely be her 2nd or 3rd most biggest hit, SALES wise. I have no problem with that because the digital era switch the focus on album to singles being the lot you have to sell a ton of now.
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Yes, the impact of Oops and Toxic >>>> BUT that's why I specifically stated that S&S is commercially/statistically bigger. Impact has nothing to do with that.
You're also overrating the commercial success of Oops and Toxic, though. S&S has already out peaked them but it's also outlasting them in terms of time spent at that peak, and soon time spent in the Top 5, 10, 20, etc. The best way to compare is to see where songs ranked in respect to other songs out at the time aka chart runs. And S&S is having a way better chart-run in practically every country.
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I'm not here for Blackout 2.0 anyway, I want something completely FRESH.
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Yes, the impact of Oops and Toxic >>>> BUT that's why I specifically stated that S&S is commercially/statistically bigger. Impact has nothing to do with that.
You're also overrating the commercial success of Oops and Toxic, though. S&S has already out peaked them but it's also outlasting them in terms of time spent at that peak, and soon time spent in the Top 5, 10, 20, etc. The best way to compare is to see where songs ranked in respect to other songs out at the time aka chart runs. And S&S is having a way better chart-run in practically every country.
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You're missing the point, "commercial success" isn't just sales and charting, it's also IMPACT and INFLUENCE on the current entertainment landscape. Years from now, no one is going to remember SnS as a standout track from 2012/2013. Even today, headlines about the "toxic" singer or "Oops...she did it again" are very much prevalent with Britney. Will 10 years from now headlines read "ALL EYES ON AUSSSS?" It' can't be the catch phrase of "It's Britney, B****" because that is recycled from Gimme More.
I love SnS for what it is, a hot club song with superb charting success. It is what it is though.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
ITZ was a mature album, but not completely (she still had some fluff on there). Just because there was content of showing her being sexually liberated, doesn't mean it's not mature content. Some of Madonna and Janet's greatest material contained sexual themes and grind-like material. Velvet Rope by Janet was so hot, yet had a mature sound to it (had critical acclaim as well).
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I agree with you, especially about the sexual liberation aspect. But what I was just trying to point out, as I see people say it a lot, is how they want her to have a "Ray Of Light" or whatever and then say "a return to ITZ". The type of material is completely different.
I just think that is Britney's idea of mature, just like it was for Janet (and still is for her  ). And I think for people they will always see it as a disconnect, because a.) she is a mother and b.) she has behemoth amount of anguish that she could pull from (i.e. breakdown and such).
We won't be hearing an album full of "Someday's" anytime soon. And thank God for that, she is 31 she should milk it while she can.
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
I don't know why people keep trying to paint ITZ as some "mature" album. Yes, she has a big hand in it, production wise and writing wise...and good for her But let's be real, she was singing about getting crunk in the club, being as sexy as she wanted to be, dancing in her underwear, touching herself, backing up her rump, dancing against the music, having a hangover, sex, some more sex, and more sex etc etc.
It had Everytime and Shadow (something more heartfelt and emotional, but that is 2 songs). It had mature themes, and wasn't as hook driven as compared to today, but it was hardly looking into the depths of her soul and allowing us to find out what she was thinking There is a difference between mature material and mature thematic'.
And with the people she is working with it seems like it will be a return to that. But I hardly doubt we will be hearing anything new. |
The only thing I'll agree on is that it's not so much a mature but more of a progressive album. It was her college years album...not as canned as her previous three, though.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
ITZ was a mature album, but not completely (she still had some fluff on there). Just because there was content of showing her being sexually liberated, doesn't mean it's not mature content. Some of Madonna and Janet's greatest material contained sexual themes and grind-like material. Velvet Rope by Janet was so hot, yet had a mature sound to it (had critical acclaim as well).
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It was a perfect blend for her age (22/23). The college years:
Oversexed songs: Breathe on me, Early mornin', Touch of my hand, Outrageous, Don't hang up, ouch
Club songs: Me against the music, I got that boom boom, The hook up, the answer, rock star
Introspective songs: Shadow, Brave new girl, Everytime, money love and happiness
Quirky songs: Showdown, guilty, look who's talking now,
Iconic song: Toxic
She needs to explore more mature themes: taking control, introspective, state of grace/euphoric, freedom, independence, money/love/happiness and mix them with classic dance tunes.
I swear she could easily fill albums 8,9,10 and maybe 11 this decade with those elements and stay progressive, gain more respect and evolve and grow while still keeping the brand 'Britney Spears' in tact.
It's clear that this decade is going to be her last active decade before it becomes Janet 00s/Mariah/Usher/Madonna 10s...that said, she needs to close this decade out with another Grammy.
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What the **** is taking the French charts so long?
It better be because there is a NEW #1 in S&S
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2013 the year of Britney 
Welcome Back LEM.
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i fail to see how being in your 30s means she can't do fun mindless sex songs. that sounds so close minded to me.
FF was kinda disappointing music wise but age has nothing to do with the type of record you put out imo.
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Lem clocking everyone left and right, what kind of prophet?
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Britney's in a very awkward position since shes been around for so long...she has to please her young fans as well as those that have been with her since day one. She's too old to stick to the pop stuff, but too young to completely ditch the party music.
