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Discussion: Is Madonna's diversity underrated by some?
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Originally posted by Swag
Then take one out, the rest remain
Out of curiosity, how would you classify 'Frozen'?
I for one know I had never heard something like it before, when I first heard it
For me it's an experimental electronic ballad-type, it would be unfair in my opinion to classify it as simply a ballad.
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Well for me Frozen is "just" a ballad. A very beautiful one but i simply see it as a ballad 
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Originally posted by Tainted Blood
Well for me Frozen is "just" a ballad. A very beautiful one but i simply see it as a ballad |
In 1998, I'd never heard an electronic ballad before except for Savage Garden which were more like electronic pop/rock. But this particular song had the marriage of both real instrumentation and electronic sounds, Violins and other strings put so beautifully well together with bleeps and strong electronic 'percussions'. It was cutting edge and extremely different at that moment in time.
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Originally posted by Kworb
Music, Frozen and Ray Of Light can only be classified as "experimental music" if you compare them directly to the generic beats that Dr. Luke and Guetta and such produce. Those songs are not even good examples of Madonna's diversity.
And in the 90s everyone was doing ballads. The lack of them is just the time we live in now.
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It was 1998, almost 2000, the pop boy-bands, the pop girl bands, britney and a much poppier christina were on their height, instead of trying to ride that wave she took an unexpected, completely non-mainstream direction and she succeeded, strongly.
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Yes. She constantly reinvents herself.
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Originally posted by Swag
In 1998, I'd never heard an electronic ballad before.
It was 1998, almost 2000, the pop boy-bands, the pop girl bands, britney and a much poppier christina were on their height, instead of trying to ride that wave she took an unexpected, completely non-mainstream direction and she succeeded, strongly.
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Totally agree about this 
I'm glad she took that direction with Ray Of Light, it was unexpected and it worked. People were really surprised by her at the time.
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Originally posted by Swag
In 1998, I'd never heard an electronic ballad before.
It was 1998, almost 2000, the pop boy-bands, the pop girl bands, britney and a much poppier christina were on their height, instead of trying to ride that wave she took an unexpected, completely non-mainstream direction and she succeeded, strongly.
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At the time I thought that the Ray Of Light album was just a poppier Bedtime Stories. Frozen itself is just a catchier Bedtime Story.
Besides, music itself was WAY more diverse back in the 90s. To me Ray Of Light did not stand out at all as some kind of reinvention. It was simply a great album.
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Originally posted by Kworb
At the time I thought that the Ray Of Light album was just a poppier Bedtime Stories. Frozen itself is just a catchier Bedtime Story.
Besides, music itself was WAY more diverse back in the 90s. To me Ray Of Light did not stand out at all as some kind of reinvention. It was simply a great album.
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I am unable to see the similarities.
We'll just have to agree to disagree 
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Originally posted by wanderlust
look at my post & get informed and learn something, cuz what u say is so short sighted
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I saw it,and I have to say I agree. Madonna is queen when it comes to changing her IMAGE and style,but musically she' s always in the same bracket of straight up pop.
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Originally posted by Musicjunky318
You can't be serious. Literally everyone heralds her ablility to take on a specific persona during one era and then effortlessly morph into another at a later stage in her career. She changes her image like a chameleon.
To name a few...What the hell is so diverse about Mariah and Taylor?
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Exactly there you go. What I highlighted in bold.
She changes physically,and she tries to experiment a bit with her sound,but it doesn't differ that much from what she's always done.
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Originally posted by madonnas
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say, 
Can you explain how?
Her stans.
I'm talking more musically, obviously people know she has a bunch of different personas and such. |
Exactly
I agree
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Originally posted by Tainted Blood
You can't be serious 
HOW IN HELL is Mariah more versatile than Madonna?  |
Anywho musically Mariah is more diverse and she has dabbled into more genres.and that's a fact.Not only that, but her incredible songwriting prowess helps her along to adapt to any genre she's tackling atm.
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She's pretty generic ! MDNA is her only diverse album
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Originally posted by LanaDelRey
She's pretty generic ! MDNA is her only diverse album
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That's probably her only album that could possibly be labeled 'generic' 
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Originally posted by LanaDelRey
She's pretty generic ! MDNA is her only diverse album
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i agree! MDNA is only diverse because she took influence from lana
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Originally posted by jose168
i agree! MDNA is only diverse because she took influence from lana
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Originally posted by Kworb
I doubt they seriously believe that. Obviously Madonna is not less diverse than the other women in the OP. But in the grand scheme of things, she's a pop singer who's made a lot of great pop music, and not much else. |
But pop is an incredibly broad genre. You can fit everything in it - she has experimented with bubblegum ("Lucky Star") and more mature ("Papa Don't Preach") dance-pop, rock, funk, jazz, early 90s house, rap, R&B, electronica/trip hop, folk, disco and urban music. I mean 
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LOL at the words ''underrated'' and ''Madonna'' being in the same sentence.
Only on ATRL. 
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Originally posted by ImpressiveInstant
But pop is an incredibly broad genre. You can fit everything in it - she has experimented with bubblegum ("Lucky Star") and more mature ("Papa Don't Preach") dance-pop, rock, funk, jazz, early 90s house, rap, R&B, electronica/trip hop, folk, disco and urban music. I mean |
Well if we name every sub genre of music, most artists would be seen as diverse too. What songs would you consider rock from her?
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Originally posted by Damien M
LOL at the words ''underrated'' and ''Madonna'' being in the same sentence.
Only on ATRL. |
Be honest, how often do you see people praising Madonna for "how diverse her music is" or that "her sound has constantly changed"? Because what I see is people calling her an "old hag desperate for attention" 
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I think Madonna is more diverse than any of those artists, partly because she has a lot more packed into her discography. They will continue to change their sound whereas Madonna will die. But there's a reason why she is admired by people for her creativity and the ability to change her sound and make it a success, so she isn't only diverse but she gets it 'right' as well.
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Originally posted by atrlster
Well if we name every sub genre of music, most artists would be seen as diverse too. What songs would you consider rock from her?
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I think that by now she's made at least 20 (awful) rock versions of her songs on tour, and you can say that "Burning Up" for example is at least rock-inspired.
And try to do the same for an artist like Pink or Kelly Clarkson, I'd like to see how it turns out 
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Originally posted by ImpressiveInstant
Be honest, how often do you see people praising Madonna for "how diverse her music is" or that "her sound has constantly changed"? Because what I see is people calling her an "old hag desperate for attention" |
That's mainly limited to internet forums, stanwars, blogs and website comment sections.
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IRL, she gets her dues. She has critically acclaimed records, Grammys, she's in the Rock n Roll HoF, and she's generally respected by her peers (sans Elton) + the industry in general. Wasn't she dubbed the ''Queen of Reinvention'' too, at some point? 
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Originally posted by ImpressiveInstant
I think that by now she's made at least 20 (awful) rock versions of her songs on tour, and you can say that "Burning Up" for example is at least rock-inspired.
And try to do the same for an artist like Pink or Kelly Clarkson, I'd like to see how it turns out |
Oh, we're including live stuff too? I thought you were going to say something like Ray Of Light or that remix of I Love New York lol
Anyway, Kelly's diversity from the top of my head. I didn't even get that deep by time period either like saying 90s house for Madonna). You can see Kelly at least matches or outdid Madonna 
Ill give you Madonna being more diverse than Pink though 
Country
Jazz
Soul
R&B
Pop Rock
Power Pop
Alternative Rock
Dance-Pop
Folk
Gothic Rock
Indie Pop
Funk Rock
Country R&B
Rhythmic Pop
Punk
Electro Pop
Orchestral Pop
Soft Rock
Alternative folk
Country pop
Blues
Neo Soul
Funk
Urban rock
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She's the most diverse pop artist, only delusional/jealous people say otherwise.
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