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News: NRA blames video games + music videos on mass murders
Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by SwagLikeALegend
All because a couple strange stories pop up doesn't mean all cops are out to overstep their boundaries.
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Um, hun. I could name you countless stories of police officers planting weed in cars, wrongfully shooting people, and just general ********. I don't expect you, like most of the population, to know about what the police does though. These aren't just some weird, random occurrences.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by RastaMentality
Um, hun. I could name you countless stories of police officers planting weed in cars, wrongfully shooting people, and just general ********. I don't expect you, like most of the population, to know about what the police does though. These aren't just some weird, random occurrences.
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So what do you propose? Police officers shouldn't be armed? So then WHO should have guns?
Alot of you are saying things shouldn't be a certain way, but aren't even proposing any valid solutions. 
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by NE.
So what do you propose? Police officers shouldn't be armed? So then WHO should have guns?
Alot of you are saying things shouldn't be a certain way, but aren't even proposing any valid solutions. 
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I clearly explained my thoughts. It's work well in regular schools but not in lesser funded schools. If you don't know how the black community and the police have had a long standing bad relationship 
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Member Since: 8/28/2012
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Wait let me me this straight
Banning guns will stop murderers from purchasing/obtaining guns?! They're such novel citizens!
And whichever idiot said armed and trained security officers shouldn't be trusted with guns is on some serious dope. Gimme some o dat
Adding guns to school security is a great idea but a very short term and quick solution. The long term solution is fixing the mentally unstable instead of putting them in jail and implementing stricter physical and mental tests in gun law.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by RastaMentality
I clearly explained my thoughts. It's work well in regular schools but not in lesser funded schools. If you don't know how the black community and the police have had a long standing bad relationship 
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So you're basically saying the police or more of an issue to worry about than mentally unstable outside criminals coming in and shooting up schools?
I'm Black and I understand racial injustice with the police. But protecting children schools in impoverished areas has absolutely NOTHING to do with this issue. 
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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How about instead of throwing more guns into the equation...
Have trained psychologists on staff rather than general counselors so they can work out problems before they arise.
Make the process completely casual to avoid the fears of being labeled as "mentally unstable".
Give the students an ear to listen.
That's what prevents them from going off the deep end.

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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by NE.
So you're basically saying the police or more of an issue to worry about than mentally unstable outside criminals coming in and shooting up schools?
I'm Black and I understand racial injustice with the police. But protecting children schools in impoverished areas has absolutely NOTHING to do with this issue. 
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I'm talking about DAILY school life and activities. I honestly feel like some of them may overstep their boundaries. It's not related to this problem but I feel this would be a new problem.
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Member Since: 8/28/2012
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Also the problem is that it's so easy to enter schools and say you're picking up Jillian Smith from 2nd grade.
Security should be at all entrances, individuals should show ID, and be searched for any weaponry. Just like they do when you're entering six flags or an amusement park but on a stricter more thorough level
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Member Since: 8/28/2012
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Will
How about instead of throwing more guns into the equation...
Have trained psychologists on staff rather than general counselors so they can work out problems before they arise.
Make the process completely casual to avoid the fears of being labeled as "mentally unstable".
Give the students an ear to listen.
That's what prevents them from going off the deep end.

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I agree with you. But we need a solution NOW before a copycat happens. What you're saying is a long term solution that takes years
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Will
How about instead of throwing more guns into the equation...
Have trained psychologists on staff rather than general counselors so they can work out problems before they arise.
Make the process completely casual to avoid the fears of being labeled as "mentally unstable".
Give the students an ear to listen.
That's what prevents them from going off the deep end.

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This is a good point, but Adam Lanza wasn't a student at the school he shot up. He was a 20-year old male. Nobody knew he had a problem. How can we control people who aren't willing to open up?
So what was to be done then?

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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Criminals will find a way to get guns regardless of whether they are banned or not.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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So let me get this straight. Ya'll don't trust normal citizens with guns AND you don't trust police with them either?
So WHO do we trust?

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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Let's fight guns with more guns lolz.
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
So let me get this straight. Ya'll don't trust normal citizens with guns AND you don't trust police with them either?
So WHO do we trust?
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Jesus

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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Wow, so since 20 kids and 6 adults were just brutally murdered with a gun, that must mean that more guns is the solution to the problem  The problem is the guns, if you were trying to lose weight, you know that giving yourself more food would not fix the issue on hand, so why do some people think it would fix this problem??
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...guards-schools
The National Rifle Association's proposal to station an armed guard in every US school has come under immediate scrutiny, with critics stating that it would be too costly and, in any event, ineffective.
At a press conference on Friday the NRA's executive vice-president, Wayne LaPierre, suggested that the only way "to truly cherish our kids" was through positioning "a properly trained – armed – good guy" in schools. LaPierre's comments, which were made a week after the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, in which 20 children and six teachers died, were immediately attacked as insensitive and as a ploy to distract from calls for stricter gun controls.
Moreover, as many pointed out, the concept of placing armed guards in schools is flawed on a number of levels.
Cost
At a time when the US is trying to reduce government spending, the move would present a further bill to taxpayers, potentially running into billions of dollars. There are some 98,817 public and 33,366 private schools in the US, according to the department of education.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average pay for a police officer is $55,010 per annum.
In that case, a crude estimate for the overall bill for the placing of an armed guard in every US school could be as much as $7.2bn. If the government only had to cover public schools, the total could be a minimum of $5.4bn.
Even if the NRA was to claim that such officers could be redeployed during the summer break, it would still mean that the equivalent of around 74,000 positions would need to be filled – at a cost of $4.1bn.
Effectiveness
Anti-gun campaigners were quick to point out on Friday that putting armed guards in schools has been tried – and has failed.
The Violence Policy Centre said that Columbine High School in Colorado had armed law enforcement agents on call when two teenagers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, embarked on a shooting spree in 1999. The agents were unable to prevent the deaths of 12 students and one teacher. They were "outgunned by the assault weapons wielded by the two teens", the VPC said.
Similarly, Virginia Tech had armed police on campus who were unable to prevent the deaths of 32 people in a mass shooting in 2007.
The NRA plan "has already been tried and it didn't work", said the VPC's executive director, Josh Sugarmann.
Even John Lott Jr, the author of More Guns Less Crime and a Fox News columnist, was dismissive:
Stephen Barton@scubarton
21 Dec 12
CC @JohnRLottJr MT @justinwolfers Cost of police in every school ($8b/yr) / # of kids killed in school (20/yr) = $400m/*potential* kid saved
John R Lott Jr.@JohnRLottJr
@scubarton @justinwolfers Identifiable guards are of very limited use in these cases.They will be the first person killed.Costly & not effec
21 Dec 12 Reply
Logic
America's problem with gun violence is not confined to schools. In August, in Wisconsin, six worshipers were killed at a Sikh temple. A month earlier, in Colorado, 12 moviegoers were killed and 58 injured at a midnight showing of the Batman film The Dark Knight Rises.
President Barack Obama's first term also saw multiple gun deaths at an army base, shopping malls, a civic centre and a political event in Tucson.
Critics of the NRA proposal have pointed out that protecting schools would not mean an end to gun-related deaths. The majority of the 30,000-plus shooting deaths which occur in the US every year did not happen in or near schools.
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It's funny cuz the NRA, an obviously Republican leaning group, says we should hire police for every single school in America, that's over 130,000 people, where the hell would we get that money??? Oh WAIIIITTTT, I know!!!!!! We could get it from raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year!!! Yay, problem solved!!!!! BUT WAIT JUST A ****ING MOMENT HERE!!!!! REPUBLICANS ARE AGAINST THAT!!!!!!!!! The NRA are a bunch of ****ing hypocrites, the first people they blame are the media, violent video games, violent movies, our society, they didn't even think about blaming the guns.
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Will
Jesus

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That's our little Jesus out there! GO GET 'EM! 
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
inb4 the "We don't need more guns" weak arguments.
I don't understand why some of you think the President needs to have security, but America's children don't.
The fact is criminals WILL get guns whether they are outlawed or not. At this point, we may need to start having county police servicing every public and private school. Either that, or there needs to be special-trained staff in every school who know how to handle a weapon in case of an emergency.
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Well first off, the President is a far higher target than just about everyone else in this country for reasons so obvious that I don't even need to explain them. Comparing his need for security to that of the average citizen's doesn't quite make sense.
Second, by saying that we shouldn't bother making making guns more difficult to obtain because criminals will always find a way, you might as well argue that we should just do away with laws because people break every one of them. We'd be living in a dystopia if we went with this mentality.
Third, arming every school with cops wouldn't improve things at all. They're renowned for abusing their power, and as RastaMentality said, this would become extremely problematic in inner city schools, because minorities tend to be on the receiving end of police brutality more than anyone else. It's not at all an exaggeration when I say that police are often just as bad as the people they're supposed to protect us from. The last thing they need is to have more power in their hands. Restricting the availability of guns to the general public will make a major difference. Just look at the rates of gun violence in other countries where people can't easily get their hands on a gun compared to here. That is hardly a coincidence.
No one is suggesting that they be outright banned, but countering gun violence with more guns is about as effective as curing a hangover with more alcohol. It makes no sense at all.
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Member Since: 4/22/2011
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I think a great idea would be to make gun laws much more strict, and in addition to that, have a gun amnesty day. Everybody surrenders their weapons and as an incentive, the government gives them money or something else. I think it would work well considering the economy right now; people would be looking for an opportunity for extra cash if they are struggling a bit and they never use their guns.
Obviously not everyone would hand in their guns, but it would take a lot of them out of the public's hands.
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Head of NRA says Mortal Kombat is responsible 4 Gun Violence
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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what is this? 1995? 
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