This is as useless as people saying that features shouldn't count as #1s and digital sales shouldn't count as high or airplay shouldn't count as high. It could go on and on.
Why pull on that thread? You see what i did there

You still didn't address my question? How does not getting a top 10 that you deem pop equate to her not being qualified to be a female rapper.

I mentioned the Hot 100. Both went top 20 which is more successful as a solo artist than the other artist constantly being mentioned in this thread. That's not what you were saying. Of course it isn't fair to label Starships as primarily rap no is saying it is, but what you were saying is that it isnt fair to call her a rapper which is irrational for obvious reasons.

This is like saying Ke$ha's Blow, or Fergie's "London Bridge" are rap songs because they're rapping on it. No. You can rap on a pop song, that doesn't change it's genre . Rap doesn't necessarily have to be genre, but the delivery.

Just because she's rapping on the songs do not make them rap music. If I talk over a David Guetta beat does that make it rap music? No. It's still a pop song, I'm just not singing. Is Fergie's music considered rap or pop because she "raps" on quite a large amount of her records and their beats are even more urban than half of the songs y'all are trying to argue as "rap songs".

Exactly

I mean, gratz nicki but if this is what we consider rap songs then shouldn't ke$ha have this record by now? She raps more on die young, tik tok etc than nicki does on turn me on, starships etc, superbass etc

Lol at you coming for Drake's fanbase when his last album sold 631,000 in the U.S. first week.

Cool for Nicki.

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Is Ke$ha going to break rap records now? How would it be fair to compare her chart stats with Die Young, Tik Tok etc to those of Lil' Kim, Foxy Brown, etc. who made Urban music and clearly had less of an advantage on charts I'm sorry but any "rap" record that includes stuff like Turn Me On and Starships isn't remotely comparable.

No. ke$ha is a pop artist. I understand that people mainly want to discredit Nicki as a rapper WHEN she is achieving records and maintain relevance but you guys opinions are not going to classify Nicki outside of the rapper title. If people want to reach and call talk singing and rapping the same thing, then I would like to see those same people draw that argument in an urban forum. I will be perched with popcorn in tow.

At the end of the day, people won't change this feat. If people dedicated as much time to their faves then maybe just maybe...

I guess everyone's opinion can be respected; however, did we get confirmation that Kesha is now going as a rapper? Until then, if people want to reach for the stars to discredit others then it is less of a reflection of the subject matter at hand. People are never going to be tired of making excuses as to the coulda, woulda, shoulda but isn't.
If you did your homework, you would know that the 90s generation was one of the most successful revenue generating decades in music. In comparison to the 80s, 10s the 90s was a very successful time for rap. Rap artist were crossing over, getting platinum singles and sales and with the chart formula with half sales/half airplay it really was as even with the way things were before steaming impacted the charts. If we were talking about Queen latifah, monie love etc. they were struggling in the 80s. The 90s multiplatinum albums and singles for rappers were common. Your statement suggesting otherwise: the struggle is real. Nicki's success keeps people intrigued. The impact.