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Discussion: Only two Black women in the top ten this entire decade?
Member Since: 4/8/2012
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
What? Why should white people get played on black radio? They already have white radio open to them, which is much harder for black people to get played on. Reverse racism isn't a thing.
That's also because "making white music" is privileging up, i.e. seen as superior to making "black music," whereas the opposite is true when a white person raps or sings R&B (other than the rare case where they become THE most popular rapper in the world because they're white, or have the biggest album of the 2010s, let alone soul/R&B album, because they're white).
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Soda Pop Queen
and that was short-lived and she came off of an already mainstream platform.
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She was definitely more than a one hit wonder though. She had like 4 hits though and if anything her career got derailed by a bad single choice, not by other factors.
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Member Since: 1/3/2010
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Originally posted by Tsuko
The mainstream black artists are CONSTANTLY using white people music to get hits in the past few years. We Found Love, Forever, The Way I Are, Starships, Sexy Chick, I Gotta Feeling, Right Round, Disturbia, Only Girl, Scream, Let Me Love Your, Don't Wake Me Up, etc.
And they've had tons of success doing that. All over the world.
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Falls in casket @ "white people music."
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Tsuko
If anybody is interested, list of black artists that have been top 10 in the UK so far during 2012:
Rihanna
LMFAO (mixed race)
Labrinth
Tinie Tempah
Flo Rida
Lloyd
Andre 3000
Lil Wayne
Rizzle Kicks (mixed race)
Taio Cruz
Cover Drive
Chris Brown
will.i.am
Rita Ora
Emeli Sande
Nicki Minaj
Stooshe
Tinchy Stryder
Marcus Collins
Alexandra Burke
Jay-Z
Kanye West
Sean Paul (mixed race)
JLS
Usher
Janelle Monae
Sway
John Legend
B.o.B
Ne-Yo
D'Banj
Dizzee Rascal
Wiz Khalifa
Wiley
Ms. D
Trey Songz
Angel
Public Enemy
Leona Lewis
Childish Gambino
Skepta
JME
Misha B
Alicia Keys
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I think Rita Ora has said that she isn't black or mixed. She's Albanian
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I don't agree that she has succeeded beyond the boundaries of being a black woman. She still slides nicely into the stereotypes of being an oversexualized, jaded ice queen who's always ready to party. That's one "model" of black pop star that our country accepts and she has capitalized on it. Although her being Bajan makes it different. But she's not exactly like Britney, who has always tried to hold onto her girl next door image (even back in the Slave days she was never as sexy as Rihanna has been since 2009), and she's not as "innocent" and weightless as people like Carly Rae and Katy Perry--she never could be. Black women aren't allowed to exist in that mold.
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What about Beyonce? Do you think she is seen the same way or more toned down? Considering she dances more than Rihanna in a 'sexy' way but she doesn't really exude that attitude outside of her music. And also her last era wasn't too much like that.
Do you think maybe Aaliyah was a black artist that fitted the same way as Britney did? In being innocent?
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
What? Why should white people get played on black radio? They already have white radio open to them, which is much harder for black people to get played on. Reverse racism isn't a thing.
That's also because "making white music" is privileging up, i.e. seen as superior to making "black music," whereas the opposite is true when a white person raps or sings R&B (other than the rare case where they become THE most popular rapper in the world because they're white, or have the biggest album of the 2010s, let alone soul/R&B album, because they're white).
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Urban radio is for URBAN music. It's not only for black people, it's for EVERYBODY that makes urban music.
Adele and Eminem should get lots of airplay on urban radio, since they do black music. But they don't. They get ignored, because they're white. That's racist.
Eminem has had Lose Yourself and LTWYL and a few other songs do well on urban, but most of his songs get ignored.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Tsuko
If anybody is interested, list of black artists that have been top 10 in the UK so far during 2012:
Rihanna
LMFAO (mixed race)
Labrinth
Tinie Tempah
Flo Rida
Lloyd
Andre 3000
Lil Wayne
Rizzle Kicks (mixed race)
Taio Cruz
Cover Drive
Chris Brown
will.i.am
Rita Ora
Emeli Sande
Nicki Minaj
Stooshe
Tinchy Stryder
Marcus Collins
Alexandra Burke
Jay-Z
Kanye West
Sean Paul (mixed race)
JLS
Usher
Janelle Monae
Sway
John Legend
B.o.B
Ne-Yo
D'Banj
Dizzee Rascal
Wiz Khalifa
Wiley
Ms. D
Trey Songz
Angel
Public Enemy
Leona Lewis
Childish Gambino
Skepta
JME
Misha B
Alicia Keys
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And musical style this year for them is interesting. Trey Songz was left out in the cold till he switched it up. Alex got shot down cause she switched it up, D'Banj took AGES to get up with the awesome Oliver Twist.
The UK is even funnier (with females) than the US. Beverley Knight was paid DUST in my childhood. We only had Jamelia and Gabrielle succeeding. And the only big black female act Uk wise we've had (and I don't mean mixed race) is Alexandra, and she's had it hard in 2012.
It's just so irritating and odd too.
Bar Rihanna, Radio 1 don't really let a black female have none black influenced music on their B or A list (C list if they're lucky). I remember Bey had BTINH at C list before Glasto, and the week it smashed, they moved it to A list to look cool. Capital is even worse, they have to be generic to be played now (they really have changed recently), urban doesn't exist there.
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Member Since: 1/1/2012
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Not to do with colour, but genres dominating at the moment. 80% of the top 5 artists of the 00s were black. Nothing shocking tbh. Not many black artist do pop or dance, even when they do, its labelled as R&B.
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Member Since: 4/8/2012
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Originally posted by Signs
Not to do with colour, but genres dominating at the moment. 80% of the top 5 artists of the 00s were black. Nothing shocking tbh. Not many black artist do pop or dance, even when they do, its labelled as R&B.
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and that's so stupid! corporate trying to shove us back into a corner.
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Originally posted by Sláy
And musical style this year for them is interesting. Trey Songz was left out in the cold till he switched it up. Alex got shot down cause she switched it up, D'Banj took AGES to get up with the awesome Oliver Twist.
The UK is even funnier (with females) than the US. Beverley Knight was paid DUST in my childhood. We only had Jamelia and Gabrielle succeeding. And the only big black female act Uk wise we've had (and I don't mean mixed race) is Alexandra, and she's had it hard in 2012.
It's just so irritating and odd too.
Bar Rihanna, Radio 1 don't really let a black female have none black influenced music on their B or A list (C list if they're lucky). I remember Bey had BTINH at C list before Glasto, and the week it smashed, they moved it to A list to look cool. Capital is even worse, they have to be generic to be played now (they really have changed recently), urban doesn't exist there.
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 And it stayed at #1 for 5 weeks on airplay. But in the UK its way easier to get a top 10 hit also.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Urban radio is for URBAN music. It's not only for black people, it's for EVERYBODY that makes urban music.
Adele and Eminem should get lots of airplay on urban radio, since they do black music. But they don't. They get ignored, because they're white. That's racist.
Eminem has had Lose Yourself and LTWYL and a few other songs do well on urban, but most of his songs get ignored.
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Urban is for that. But black artists rarely crossover. Berry Gordy had to PAY to get blacks on his label played. It should be for everybody. Adele tbh was pop with soul influenced hits (RITD). Same way pop is for popular songs. But y'all know it don't work like that. Look at Adorn, big hit, but they acted like it didn't exist. That song would've been #1 if pop let it crossover.
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Member Since: 1/1/2012
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Originally posted by Soda Pop Queen
and that's so stupid! corporate trying to shove us back into a corner.
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I remember when there were threads with people saying WFL had R&B/Urban influences. 
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Adorn is crossing over now though. They didn't send it for pop adds until recently
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Signs
 And it stayed at #1 for 5 weeks on airplay. But in the UK its way easier to get a top 10 hit also.
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True. I was SMH at them. The shadiness. The ignored RTW too, it was almost top 10. A damn mess. I'm glad she had hits on radio. LOT took off by itself. I loved it. I didn't know it was at #1 for so long.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by atrlster
Adorn is crossing over now though. They didn't send it for pop adds until recently
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That's good. Why did they take so long though? They should've done it 2.5 months ago 
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
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People in here saying black women can't pull off EDM are really ignorant of history. The very foundation of modern dance/club music is rooted in black female singers.
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Member Since: 4/8/2012
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Originally posted by Signs
I remember when there were threads with people saying WFL had R&B/Urban influences. 
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
Posts: 14,820
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Originally posted by Sláy
And musical style this year for them is interesting. Trey Songz was left out in the cold till he switched it up. Alex got shot down cause she switched it up, D'Banj took AGES to get up with the awesome Oliver Twist.
The UK is even funnier (with females) than the US. Beverley Knight was paid DUST in my childhood. We only had Jamelia and Gabrielle succeeding. And the only big black female act Uk wise we've had (and I don't mean mixed race) is Alexandra, and she's had it hard in 2012.
It's just so irritating and odd too.
Bar Rihanna, Radio 1 don't really let a black female have none black influenced music on their B or A list (C list if they're lucky). I remember Bey had BTINH at C list before Glasto, and the week it smashed, they moved it to A list to look cool. Capital is even worse, they have to be generic to be played now (they really have changed recently), urban doesn't exist there.
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Yeah, Capital FM is horrible with urban music. It's so sad. Since I remember when I was younger Galaxy played loads of it (by both white and black artists), but now it's just dance music they play (although they still do play a LOT of black artists, just nearly all the time it's with europop songs).
Radio 1 aren't too bad with urban music. They've got Frank Ocean, The Weeknd, Miguel and an urban song from Nicki on their playlsit atm. But Capital are awful. And even when you do see an urban song on their playlist, they hardly ever seem to play it.
The reason Radio 1 did that with Best Thing I Never Had was since it took off quicker than expected. It went straight to #1 on iTunes when the album was released. I'm sure it would've gone A-List anyway. Beyonce's singles last year did better in the UK than they did in the US.
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Member Since: 4/8/2012
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Originally posted by PoisonPill
People in here saying black women can't pull off EDM are really ignorant of history. The very foundation of modern dance/club music is rooted in black female singers.
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Sláy
That's good. Why did they take so long though? They should've done it 2.5 months ago 
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I think when it comes to come to artists who haven't charted on pop radio before, they're reluctant to send stuff out yet unless it does really well on another format first. They should have known though that the song had potential since Adorn was relatively reactive on iTunes. I mean it wasn't a huge sales hit or anything, but the fact that it has been in the Top 100 without pop airplay was pretty suprsing and should have been a clue to them
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