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Discussion: Only two Black women in the top ten this entire decade?
Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
It doesn't really. The same albums that submits to that category now would have submitted to the other category. It was such a redundant change. It's the same category.
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Well, the new category talks about albums with specfic rock, dance, pop, etc influences. So I think that's the main difference.
Meaning albums from Justin Bieber, Chris Brown, Ne-Yo, Rihanna would be eligible.
As opposed to straight more contemporary R&B albums like say 4 and more traditional R&B stuff.
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Originally posted by Guernica
Kelly Rowland had Commander but I don't remember if she tried to release it in the US. If she didn't, she should've, it could've been a hit.
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See, THAT type of song could of gotten her a Top 10 here in the US. But, I didn't see any promotion aside from the video so... 
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Originally posted by Taste of Honey
I think part of it is the labels have no clue how to market full Asian artists? It's not like they have a template to go back and look towards. |
Exactly.
I mean, it's awful black girls have prescribed roles, but at least they have roles to fill. There are absolutely no slots for Asian women.
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
It was just added this year for the 2013 Grammys |
It was taken away last year and reinstated under another name. It was originally called Best Contemporary R&B Album.
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
See, THAT type of song could of gotten her a Top 10 here in the US. But, I didn't see any promotion aside from the video so... |
I think her label fought against her releasing it or something. Like they didn't believe that she could break the USA pop market. Really didn't make much sense since they even did an urban remix of Commander 
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I wouldn't want any person of color singing a song Like CMM,tbqh
Not trying to be shady but many black women's latest eras were messes.
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Originally posted by atrlster
Well, the new category talks about albums with specfic rock, dance, pop, etc influences. So I think that's the main difference.
Meaning albums from Justin Bieber, Chris Brown, Ne-Yo, Rihanna would be eligible.
As opposed to straight more contemporary R&B albums like say 4 and more traditional R&B stuff.
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And Justin and Rihanna were still submitted to Best Pop Vocal Album.
Chris and Ne-Yo would have been submitted to Contemporary R&B Album anyway.
Like I said, redundant change, same category.
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Originally posted by MaRy
The reason is dance music is dominating and R&B music is now niche, while it was the opposite in the 00ies and 90ies
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Basically.
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Originally posted by atrlster
I think her label fought against her releasing it or something. Like they didn't believe that she could break the USA pop market. Really didn't make much sense since they even did an urban remix of Commander |
If you look at the singles they released here in the US, it's things like Motivation or Ice, aka R&B songs. They are marketing her as an R&B girl in the US and neglecting her pop songs that have been popular in the UK. I don't understand why, do they really think she cannot be successful in the US with pop songs?
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Well, did she receive good promotion under a reliable label? If so, I don't know what to say. If NOT, then you just can't expect a Top 10 to come out of the blue for her when she isn't a mainstream artist. Was it a commercial-sounding dance album? Because naturally if it's too experimental radio won't pick it up. |
No, her label were really bad at promoting her. But she became popular within the dance community and her album was commercial (but still brought in house influences before it was popular in mainstream).
So it wasn't too experimental for radio, but it wasn't pure generic dance, either (some of it was generic but only about a quarter of it). I think it was just because of the lack of promotion that it didn't do well, but my main point was telling you that another black girl besides Rihanna and Nicki were doing dance music this decade. 
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Originally posted by atrlster
I think her label fought against her releasing it or something. Like they didn't believe that she could break the USA pop market. Really didn't make much sense since they even did an urban remix of Commander |
I guess. I don't know the situation she was presented with but it certainly did not receive any promotion in the US that I was aware of.
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This is about as close as we got in terms of an Asian female artist making a dent in the western market.
This sold pretty well in the US
Then Fefe Dobson, she was the black Avril but kinda fell off
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
And Justin and Rihanna were still submitted to Best Pop Vocal Album.
Chris and Ne-Yo would have been submitted to Contemporary R&B Album anyway.
Like I said, redundant change, same category.
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Well, I think the category is still in its infancy, and Justin and Rihanna have gotten nominated in pop before, so they're sticking to what works.
But I think the point of the new category or the rebranding of it at least it to promote those kind of albums to be nominated there in the future. Maybe not necessarily for Rihanna and Justin to migrate but for newer artists in the future
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Originally posted by Guernica
If you look at the singles they released here in the US, it's things like Motivation or Ice, aka R&B songs. They are marketing her as an R&B girl in the US and neglecting her pop songs that have been popular in the UK. I don't understand why, do they really think she cannot be successful in the US with pop songs?
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I know right? I think maybe they're scared because although most of David Guetta's singles have done well, When Love Takes Over flopped in the USA. Although I hope that's not what they're thinking because WLTO was a bit too EDMish for 2009. But it would be perfect now.
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Originally posted by JungleDisturbia
No, her label were really bad at promoting her. But she became popular within the dance community and her album was commercial (but still brought in house influences before it was popular in mainstream).
So it wasn't too experimental for radio, but it wasn't pure generic dance, either (some of it was generic but only about a quarter of it). I think it was just because of the lack of promotion that it didn't do well, but my main point was telling you that another black girl besides Rihanna and Nicki were doing dance music this decade. |
Oh Alright. I understand.
I doubt race/genre has anything to do with how she performed.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
How many of those are SOLO hits? None.
Women of color with SOLO/LEAD hits 00-09 (of the top of my head):
Shakira
Aaliyah
Monica
Mariah
Brandy
Christina
Beyoncé
Rihanna
Alicia
Missy
Ciara
Cassie
Christina Milan
M.I.A.
Lil Kim
Eve
Keyshia Cole
Ashanti
Mary J. Blige
Macy Gray
Tweet
Samantha Mumba
Amerie
Debelah Morgan
Erykah Badu
Keri Hilson
Jennifer Lopez
I mean, staggering.
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Thanks for leaving out Nelly Furtado out (sarcasm)...
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Originally posted by I Am Music
This is about as close as we got in terms of an Asian female artist making a dent in the western market.
This sold pretty well in the US
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The album, immediately upon release in the United States, debuted at number-eight on the Billboard 200, making Charice the first Asian artist to reach the Top 10 on the chart solo.
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 Charice tried as well.
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Originally posted by Ozzy8923
Oh Alright. I understand.
I doubt race/genre has anything to do with how she performed. |
You're right, she's late af when it comes to good opportunities and they pass her by.
The Here I Am Era was a fvcking mess and released one single that didn't even make the album.
@Guernica: How could i leave her out, you're right she did and she's really good too.
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Originally posted by atrlster
Well, I think the category is still in its infancy, and Justin and Rihanna have gotten nominated in pop before, so they're sticking to what works.
But I think the point of the new category or the rebranding of it at least it to promote those kind of albums to be nominated there in the future. Maybe not necessarily for Rihanna and Justin to migrate but for newer artists in the future
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There wasn't a big chance. There have been several albums nominated for Best Contemporary R&B Album that fit those descriptions. According to the new rules, someone like Janelle Monae would now be eligible for Urban Contemporary, but The Archandroid was nominated for Best Contemporary R&B Album. And Rihanna's and Justin's labels could have easily sent their albums under the old Best Contemporary R&B Album category. Like I said, these "updated rules" are sort of redundant and there's no real difference between the new and old categories. But we're getting off-topic.
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Janelle is also someone who transcends the "R&B" category but people act like she only makes R&B. 
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