in the argument of gay marriage?

Okay, so I posted this topic on another forum I go to, and it actually spawned a pretty legit discussion. Thought I would post it here too because it's a relevant question.

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Often times I see people who are for gay marriage saying "they were born that way," like its some type of importance. Same goes for the opposing argument, "it's a choice!" Okay, but so is marriage, so why are we arguing orientation?

Why can't people see this for what it really is, gender discrimination. Hypothetically, if homosexuality really was a wake-up decision, "i want to be gay now," type situation, why would they still be barred from marriage equality?
There's no rule in marriage that you have to be born with an idea of liking a particular sex. It's actually pretty irrelevant to marriage. The biggest choice in marriage is exactly its title, marriage.

So instead of basing an argument on sexuality, why isn't it more weighted on the blatant gender discrimination? If men and women legally are supposed to be equal, then why is a man not allowed to marry a man based on genitals alone? If this man had a vagina, it would be legally protected. This is the core of discrimination, saying one gender is worth more legally than the other gender.

Lots of people seem to think comparing orientation and race are not comparable in reference to interracial marriages being banned not too long back. Sure, okay, but the race war IS identical to this gender war, not being allowed to marry based on FACTUAL unpreventable birth attributes.




So seeing as I'm basically preaching to the choir here on ATRL, I'll peg the question if gender discrimination is a better argument and justification to gay marriage than the "love is LOVE" one that's usually thrown around.

It's not relevant to the actual question of gay marriage, but people throw it in because the question about gay marriage has been fundamentally linked to the social acceptance of gays in general.

How is it gender discrimination? Both a man and woman can marry. Two women and two men cannot marry. It doesn't favour any gender. The discrimination is against sexuality and the idea of a married homosexual couple. Two women cannot marry, two men cannot marry, a woman and a man CAN marry. There is no bias towards which gender can legally marry, but what sexuality can legally marry.

This is gonna be a long ass thread

+1 but I would have thought America would be ready for gay marriage instead of South America! America is unfair and unjust still to this day if you aren't a white man you will be treated differently

MTE. The OP is reaching. Bye

I don't understand your argument for gender discrimination. Both men and women can only marry outside their gender. That isn't a matter of "worth" since the rules apply to both genders.

If we have the right to discriminate against who we marry based on wealth, age and numerous other factors, why can't we choose who we marry based on gender? Especially if it is entirely natural?

This.
Which comes from the traditional idea of what a marriage is, and the main religions of the world abide by it. Hence the big ass issue.

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No, it's still gender discrimination. A woman is being told she can not marry another woman because she IS a woman.

As a lesbian, she can still get married to a man.

But that's the discrimination. Just because it's a set law doesn't mean it's ethical. I mean, you wouldn't say "Well, black people can still drink water, just not from the same drinking fountain. It's not discrimination," just because it's the rule.

Well no, because homosexuals are still barred from domestic partnerships in 95% of the U.S. It's not all religious.

Could you not comprehend? A pre-op FtM trans could legally marry a man, yet a biological man can not marry a man.

Yes because marrying a woman would make it a homosexual marriage and marrying a man would make it a heterosexual marriage. It's that simple. The church aren't stopping gays from marrying opposite genders. In fact they work towards converting gays into marrying into the heterosexual lifestyle. The discrimination is based on sexuality not gender. There really is no argument to state otherwise.

You contradict yourself in the span of 2 sentences.


Which is gender discrimination.

You do not have to be homosexual or heterosexual to get married.

MTE

It favors neither gender, irregardless of whom, same sex couples can not marry.