I mean I'm all here for a challenging course. I want to be challenged, but when Professors are saying things like I guarantee at least 60% of you will fail the first test or most of you won't be here after mid-term, I can't help but feel like they're stacking the odds against me. Normally, I am in the group that excels, but I've always felt like even though college is higher learning professors still need to realize we're students at the end of the day. Not only that, but they need to realize that we, as students, have heavy course loads that we have to ration out and dedicate our time to. As much as I want to spend the majority of my time on Zoology, I'm still taking Physics and A&PII. It's hard. So I was just wondering am I in the minority for feeling like this or do you feel like professors should be more empathetic because they've been there before and they should genuinely care about their students excelling?

Discuss.

I can't help but when the average on a midterm or final is in the 30%s. It doesn't really help when careers in fields don't depend on triple integrals or whether you can measure whether a collision is elastic or inelastic.

They are stacking the odds against you. These classes are to root out the kids who are not really interested or motivated, so later in the major or sequence, you'd be more involved in the course automatically since you did well in the harder basic courses.

The people out in the real world, as in your real job, will not care about your life, personal needs, or sorrows and some professors just want you to not expect it to be easy after you get out of college. Trust me, it's better to have gone through the hardships and come into an easy world than the other way around.


Actually, when looking at decision analysis or optimization, either in engineering or business, you may have to use triple integrals. I'm pretty sure it helps to know the difference in collisions for calculation purposes, but you're right, you don't need to know that stuff for a job you could have gotten in high school.

You will benefit most from a class that challenges you. Some of the most rewarding classes were the ones where I knew I would have to try extremely hard to get a good grade.

Anyway, I think there is a bigger issue and that is how academic institutions give the illusion of being a gateway to a better future and career. There are many people who go about aimlessly, thinking that they can go through and take a handful of Philosophy, Art, English, and other courses, as if simply completing the classes and getting the diploma will lead to success.

College can be amazing, but I think there needs to be greater emphasis on career development ad being honest with students about whether their major of choice will likely lead to a good job.

I wish college was more hands on. I want to go to Med school and hopefully I'll be accepted into the P.A. program at GHSU, but I'm scared. I honestly think Med school will be like culture shock. I honestly don't feel like many of the courses that are required of me to receive a B.S. in Molecular Biology are adequate enough for med school.

College is hard. I don't know what these people's majors were who say it's easy, but there are sleepless nights, stress, and basically dedicating every single hour of your day to school. Not only that, you have to get involved. You can't just go to school and get a degree. You genuinely have to branch out and get involved on campus because that's what's going to be the thing that separates you from the rest. It's physically and mentally exhausting.

I've actually had no professors like that at all (granted I am only a sophmore). If anything my teachers all say that they simplify things and aren't setting us up to fail and not making the obscure information in the book stuff on tests. I dunno, maybe I'm just lucky.

Wait until you get into your major. Core classes are pretty easy, but when you start taking your major classes they expect you to be on your ****.

I figured that's how it'd be. I'm in two upper divisions right now and it's simple enough, but I'm sure I'll have some crazy professors down the line.

More reason to just not go to college/university.

I wouldn't say they are setting us up for failure, more like demanding to do your very best. When a professor says "at least 60% of you will fail this course" , it's more of a motivation, so you can do well on that class and won't be part of that statistic.

I normally know my ****. The only time I ever was worried was with Chemistry 1212, but it's still intimidating. Especially when tests are 70% of your grade and they're saying it's almost a guarantee you'll fail your first test

The 6 figure salary will be worth it in the long run.... If I make it into Med School.... and then if I'm able to find a job after I graduate

I don't see anything wrong with that.

I remember when I started nursing school, one of the first things our instructor told us was to take a look around the room and know that by the end of this program only less than half of this class will make it to graduation.

Well it turned out he was spot on. we started with a class of 64 and ended up with 27 by graduation.

I was scared at first when I heard that but it only made me work that much harder. I was not about to fail a class only to have to retake it, waste my time and pay more tuition.
The way I look at it is that it mostly weeds out the poeple who don't take it as seriously but of course there are the exceptions and also those of where life events gets in the way.

I'm not too worried about college tbh (start next year)

but Med school..

What about the ones that give it there all, but are just falling short?

No. Theyre not setting you up for failure, Theyre setting you up for real life. Its up to you whether you fail or not.

I remember one of my lecturers telling me this:

Theyre lecturers, not teachers. Theyre just there to guide you, point you in the right direction. Especially in a field that mostly hands-on. You "learn" pretty much on your own.

A quick story:

I remember for my first advanced programming class, the lecturer gave us a problem. We had to build a working replica of the school's Student portal (To check for grades, sign up for classes etc.) We never even came close to doing something like that before, and we didnt know where to start. We had to plan out the setup, the layout, how we were going about doing it, etc. All the lecturer was there to do was tell us if we were going right or not, and give a few pointers. Pretty much putting us in a real world environment. After 6 months it was done, and they even implemented pieces of it in the actual school system. At the end it made me a better programmer and pretty much gave me an idea of how it really is in the working world.

Maybe they say 60% of people will fail because those people are lazy and didn't study. Not because the test is hard or they're trying to be tough.

I've just found that most people in post secondary are just like they are in high school... there because they have to be not cause they want to be, and mostly lazy.

UPS is hiring. lol

Yes it sounds harsh, but it pretty much means theyre not cut out for it, or theyre really not giving out as much as they think they are.

I agree with orange; sounds like weed out courses. If you're dedicated about going to medical school, which I'm sure you are, you'll do fine. It just requires more work to overcome the odds your teachers are stacking against you and your fellow students, but it's definitely doable. Good luck

We had our first quiz in Anatomy the other day. I made the highest grade. A lot of the students were talking about how hard the quiz was when it basically was the basics of what we've been going over since class started a month ago. I actually hate when my friends in classes call me smart because I'm making good grades in the class. Like if you applied yourself as much as I do you could be making the same grades or maybe even better. A lot of times I don't even like studying with some of my friends because they expect you to take time out of your busy schedule and spoon feed them the stuff when they haven't opened the book and read or did anything outside of class.