So, is anyone from Quebec here following the elections? What do you think about the last month and the different parties? Is your choice made for tomorrow? Or maybe in Canada what do you think about it? Is there any apprehension about the fact that the Parti Quebecois may win and starts back the process to separation?
The Prime Minister Jean Charest, after 9 years in power, is highly unpopular right now in Quebec and may face a big defeat tomorrow, bringing back the pro-separation Parti Quebecois to power. Something that has been stricking is that the Liberal Party is now pretty much getting support only from anglophones. Its support from francophones fell to something like 15%, compared to about 35-40% for the Parti Québécois. This is what, to me, will cost the elections to the LIberal party tomorrow. Don't forget that francophones are 80% of the total population, so their vote is what makes the winner.
My vote is going for the Parti Québécois for many reasons tomorrow.
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Parti Quebecois one point away from majority, poll shows
MONTREAL - With two days until Quebec's provincial election, the separatist Parti Quebecois remained poised to win a majority government, according to an exclusive Leger Marketing poll conducted for QMI Agency.
The last QMI Agency poll before Quebecers vote on Sept. 4 placed the PQ in the lead at 33%, with the CAQ in second at 28% and the Liberals at 27%.
The percentages for all three major parties remained unchanged since the last Leger poll, which was published on Aug. 24.
Jean-Marc Leger, president of Leger Marketing, told QMI Agency PQ Leader Pauline Marois is statistically one point away from gaining enough of the popular vote to win a majority government.
However, Leger said he is not ready to predict even a minority win for the PQ - not with 28% of respondents saying they could change their mind come election day. As well, 6% of respondents either refused to answer the survey or said they still didn't know who they would vote for.
Moreover, the right-of-centre and economic nationalist CAQ vote is fickle, according to the poll.
Of those who said they would vote CAQ, 37% said they could change their mind, compared with 15% for the PQ and 27% for the Liberals. Additionally, 31% of respondents who supported the CAQ said their second choice would be the Liberals, compared with 22% who said they would choose the PQ second.
Leger said the results are heavily riding on turnout - which he expects to be high, at around 70%, compared with 57% during the 2008 provincial election.
And higher turnouts are often bad news for incumbent parties, "because it means voters are looking for change," Leger said.
If interest in the election campaign is an indicator, then turnout will be high.
The poll found 90% of respondents said they have taken an interest in the election campaign, with 43% responding they have taken a "big interest." Only 1% of respondents said they didn't plan to vote.
Leger polled 1,856 Quebecers over 18 years old between August 29-31. Respondents came from Leger's Internet panel database of 185,000 people in Quebec. Results are considered to have a margin of error of 2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
If you vote for Charest you pay more for school (but would still be the lowest fee in Canada)
If you vote for Marois she want to separate Quebec from Canada which could cause alot of economic difficulty and raise fees on ALOT of things and she want to force everyone to go to french school and learn french
If you vote for Charest you pay more for school (but would still be the lowest fee in Canada)
If you vote for Marois she want to separate Quebec from Canada which could cause alot of economic difficulty and raise fees on ALOT of things and she want to force everyone to go to french school and learn french
I prefer having Charest again tbh
The liberal party and Jean Charest have been a real poison for the Quebec for the last decade. I have no words to describe how repealing every bit of his program his. No real social policies, tuition hikes without even trying to reform the gestion of the money universities already have, giving our natural ressources to foreign companies without making them pay, corruption. Oh and you say that we still pay the lowest in Canada, but don't forget that we have the higher taxes to pay this So in the end, we pay as much as them, we just made the choice that everyone should pay for education because it's an absolute priority, and not just the students. Because when you have high tuition fees, you make it hard for those who don't have a lot of money to go to university and climb in the social ranks.
Well, for Marois and the separation, it's another long debate. But, I often see many Canadians telling us in Quebec that we receive about 8-9G in equalization, so separation would be a disaster for us. Totally false. They forget that we send about 50% of our taxes to Ottawa, which they can use it how they want, not like how we would want with our values. That's a LOT of money that we could control ourselves. They forget that many minister fields are doubled in the provincial and federal fields. It makes a lot of money loss. It's a big debate, but everyone agree (even Jean Charest, the pro-federation, said it), Quebec would be winner if separation occured.
Oh and that's only for the economic part. Not a single nation would accept to be a simpe province of another country. We are different in every aspect of our society, we come from different ancestors and it has been a struggle for the last 400 years. Canada didn't want to be a simple colony of Great-Britain, so I really don't know how it is so hard for them to understand why Quebec wants to have his own country.
I want to see Pauline Marois HANGED on les Plaines d'Abraham. Le Parti Québécois is the last party I want in power. That's ultimately what every election in Quebec comes down to. Sovereignty and federalism.
I will not -I CANNOT- vote for a party that promotes such hate for anglophones aside from seeking to limit their own people for the sake of a culture founded by prisoners and "filles du Roy". A party that says that my rights as an anglophone come second to those of francophones because "they were here first". By that logic, there should be an "Office de la langue Algonquienne" because guess what, THEY were here first. So enough ********.
You know what, I hope the PQ does win and we DO seperate. That way, 10-15 years down the line when people realize that French will get you "pas d'grande chose!", in terms of international business and relations, my trilingual ass will be right at the top of a multinational! Merci à Pauline et à la Loi 101!
As for my vote, I'm scrapping my ballot. None of these idiots deserve the time of day.
Well, for Marois and the separation, it's another long debate. But, I often see many Canadians telling us in Quebec that we receive about 8-9G in equalization, so separation would be a disaster for us. Totally false. They forget that we send about 50% of our taxes to Ottawa, which they can use it how they want, not like how we would want with our values. That's a LOT of money that we could control ourselves. They forget that many minister fields are doubled in the provincial and federal fields. It makes a lot of money loss. It's a big debate, but everyone agree (even Jean Charest, the pro-federation, said it), Quebec would be winner if separation occured.
Faux. Coming from an accountant, believe me, we pay nowhere near 50% to Ottawa.
Federal Income Tax Rates for 2012:
15% on the first $42,707 of taxable income, +
22% on the next $42,707 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $42,707 up to $85,414)
26% on the next $46,992 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $85,414 up to $132,406),
29% of taxable income over $132,406.
Provincial Income Tax Rates for 2012:
The income tax rates for 2012, determined on the basis of your taxable income, are as follows:
Income over 0 But not over $40,100 Rate 16%
Income over $40,100 But not over $80,200 Rate 20%
Income over $80,200 Rate 24%
Notice how federal rates tax different portions of your income by different rates, so you're only paying higher taxes on the EXTRA income. Quebec, its all one! Fair, right?
And GST vs. PST? 5% versus 9.5%, taxed on the tax! We pay higher sales taxes than Los Angeles! Vive le Québec!
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Originally posted by Fadicuss
Oh and that's only for the economic part. Not a single nation would accept to be a simpe province of another country. We are different in every aspect of our society, we come from different ancestors and it has been a struggle for the last 400 years. Canada didn't want to be a simple colony of Great-Britain, so I really don't know how it is so hard for them to understand why Quebec wants to have his own country.
This reasoning is probably the MOST infuriating motivation for separation. "Le peuple québécois" does not exist. With generations of mingling between both cultures, there's not one person in this province that can trace every single ancestor back to a prisoner and a prostituée, and why anyone would find that a source of pride is beyond me.
Moreover, the contributions of the vibrant anglophone community to the province cannot be cast aside as if they were nothing. I may be from a family of immigrants, but I was born in Canada in the province of Quebec, thus making me just as "québécois" as Jean-Guy Pépin from Abitibi Témiscamingue.
I really don't know why it's so hard for them to understand that they lost la Conquête 250 years ago.
I want to see Pauline Marois HANGED on les Plaines d'Abraham. Le Parti Québécois is the last party I want in power. That's ultimately what every election in Quebec comes down to. Sovereignty and federalism.
I will not -I CANNOT- vote for a party that promotes such hate for anglophones aside from seeking to limit their own people for the sake of a culture founded by prisoners and "filles du Roy". A party that says that my rights as an anglophone come second to those of francophones because "they were here first". By that logic, there should be an "Office de la langue Algonquienne" because guess what, THEY were here first. So enough ********.
You know what, I hope the PQ does win and we DO seperate. That way, 10-15 years down the line when people realize that French will get you "pas d'grande chose!", in terms of international business and relations, my trilingual ass will be right at the top of a multinational! Merci à Pauline et à la Loi 101!
As for my vote, I'm scrapping my ballot. None of these idiots deserve the time of day.
I find it kinda funny that you suggest that because French is not the main business language right now, we should just let it go and fade. Wow. I'm not surprised there's so much tension between anglos and french. Some anglophones really have a hard time understanding the notion of pride and culture that we want to protect. Do you think any other nation in the world would even consider letting their official language (ie : dutch, czech, italian) fade only because it is only spoken in their country and is not an international business language?
And to respond to your other post, I'm not even a native "pure-laine" white descendant Québécois. So, yeah I agree that the "peuple Québécois" is a mixing of a lot of things and a lot of people from everywhere, but still it cannot be denied that our culture is a lot different from the rest of the Canada (just look at the last federal elections). As I said, there's not a single nation in the world that would accept being only a province of a country with a lot of different values. And for those who chose to separate in the world, I'm pretty sure not a single one is now regretting separating from a bigger country they didn't belong to. So all this "you'll regret it so much" is bs. for me.
Anyways, as I said, it's a long debate and I feel (with the long talks I had in the past with anglophones mainly) that it's something that many anglophones just can't, or don't even want to try, to understand. I think that's why there's so much tension between francophones and anglophones. I'm kinda over it. It's their problem. By having such a closed mind and agressive attitutde on the question, it's impossible for them to bring constructive ideas and the consequence is that politics in Quebec is now pretty much ignoring them on a lot of issues. If only they put as much effort in trying to construct a great society for Quebec as they put in trying to stop it from separating, maybe they wouldn't feel left apart from the public decisions.
And for the taxes, it may not be exactly 50%, but it was stated that it's around 40-50G $$.
So, instead of giving it to Ottawa for them to buy new military aircrats with our money, maybe we would use it to better purpose here. So yeah, it's a lot of money that we would gain control of.
I honestly wouldn't mind if Quebec seperated from Canada, would keep them from complaining all the time.
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Originally posted by Shakira Stan
I feel the same way, Quebecers are unbelievable!!!
I remember seeing a video from the 1995 referendum seeing all those Canadians coming to Montreal to tell us "WE LOVE YOU!!". I just tough to myself, when you love someone, you set them free.
Anyways, this debate will occur until Quebec finally separates one day. So, the better the sooner.
Are you guys really worried about the separation? Pauline has to say that she wants to work "pour la Souveraineté", because that is what's expected of the Parti Québécois leader. She would never be accepted as their leader if she didn't. Deep down they (all PQ leaders) know it's over. Quebec will never separate.
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Originally posted by Mezik
I honestly wouldn't mind if Quebec seperated from Canada, would keep them from complaining all the time.
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Originally posted by Shakira Stan
I feel the same way, Quebecers are unbelievable!!!
What kind of generalization If most Quebeckers were complainers/unhappy we would have separated already. I've heard many shocking stories about how much the provinces of Ontario and Alberta hate us, but I'm not narrow-minded enough to apply that to every Ontarian and Albertan I meet.
I find it kinda funny that you suggest that because French is not the main business language right now, we should just let it go and fade. Wow. I'm not surprised there's so much tension between anglos and french. Some anglophones really have a hard time understanding the notion of pride and culture that we want to protect. Do you think any other nation in the world would even consider letting their official language (ie : dutch, czech, italian) fade only because it is only spoken in their country and is not an international business language?
I find it funny that Quebecers are the only "peuple" to fear so hard to lose their culture because they're part of another country and in contact with another language. I also find it unbelievably hypocritical that they do to immigrants the exact thing they don't want done to themselves - force them to abandon their language and culture and assimilate. It is RACIST and FASCIST. How anyone can think this is okay is beyond my comprehension. French will NEVER be a business language. Spanish and Cantonese will probably never be business language and their spoken by many more people. I have a notion of pride and culture, thanks. and I'm trying to protect by not letting some psychotic fat vache tear me apart from my country.
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Originally posted by Fadicuss
And to respond to your other post, I'm not even a native "pure-laine" white descendant Québécois. So, yeah I agree that the "peuple Québécois" is a mixing of a lot of things and a lot of people from everywhere, but still it cannot be denied that our culture is a lot different from the rest of the Canada (just look at the last federal elections). As I said, there's not a single nation in the world that would accept being only a province of a country with a lot of different values. And for those who chose to separate in the world, I'm pretty sure not a single one is now regretting separating from a bigger country they didn't belong to. So all this "you'll regret it so much" is bs. for me.
I wouldn't know, I'm not allowed to be part of this Québécois peuple. This elusive culture is so mysterious to me. Pepsis, Export A's and cabanes à sucre is the extent of my knowledge. Is that ignorant? More ignorant than this?
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Originally posted by Fadicuss
Anyways, as I said, it's a long debate and I feel (with the long talks I had in the past with anglophones mainly) that it's something that many anglophones just can't, or don't even want to try, to understand. I think that's why there's so much tension between francophones and anglophones. I'm kinda over it. It's their problem. By having such a closed mind and agressive attitutde on the question, it's impossible for them to bring constructive ideas and the consequence is that politics in Quebec is now pretty much ignoring them on a lot of issues. If only they put as much effort in trying to construct a great society for Quebec as they put in trying to stop it from separating, maybe they wouldn't feel left apart from the public decisions.
SO BLIND! LOOK AROUND YOU. This politicians send their kids to the States to learn English! Even Celine ****ING Dion moved from this godforsaken province to the US cause she doesn't want to pay taxes here! Notre Céline nationale chante pour les maudits d'têtes carrées! Do you realize?! Then you have Pauline "la vache qui rit" Moron-ois taking you all for a ride while she ***** on her toilet made of solid gold in Dollard des Ormaux wearing her stupid red square. Honestly, it boggles the mind.
What are your constructive ideas? Saving taxes based on those imaginary numbers you pulled up? Setting up a bustling non-English speaking economy based on hydroelectricity, pâtes et papier and sugar shacks?
We don't complain much,the media makes it seem that way tbh
Really?! Remember last semester's tuition strike?? I know you're probably wondering but he lives in Vancouver... Yes, I do!! But I go to Dawson College in Montreal because tuition fees here are so so so so so so so so so so so so so cheap.
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What kind of generalization If most Quebeckers were complainers/unhappy we would have separated already. I've heard many shocking stories about how much the provinces of Ontario and Alberta hate us, but I'm not narrow-minded enough to apply that to every Ontarian and Albertan I meet.
Quebec becoming a country would be the worst thing that can happen to this province. Quebecers all act like "we're French, we speak French blah blah blah", it's stupid because if you want to get a nice job in Montreal, we got to speak English. Whether they like it or not, English will take over in less than 20 years, just wait and see.
For intense, they couldn't force me to go to a French high school because I'm a real Canadian, I'm from BC!! Those poor immigrants are forced to go study in French, they don't even have a choice, but guess what? Once they get out of high school, they choose Dawson college, Marianopolis, Vanier, John Abbott, Champlain St Lambert, etc. At the end of the day, English is the winner. I think they should drop Bill 101, since when you have to be eligible to study in English
This can only happen in Quebec!! This asshole and his girlfriend are pressed because poor Chinese guy can't speak French wtf!!!
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Originally posted by Patri
I find it funny that Quebecers are the only "peuple" to fear so hard to lose their culture because they're part of another country and in contact with another language. I also find it unbelievably hypocritical that they do to immigrants the exact thing they don't want done to themselves - force them to abandon their language and culture and assimilate. It is RACIST and FASCIST. How anyone can think this is okay is beyond my comprehension. French will NEVER be a business language. Spanish and Cantonese will probably never be business language and their spoken by many more people. I have a notion of pride and culture, thanks. and I'm trying to protect by not letting some psychotic fat vache tear me apart from my country.
I honestly wouldn't mind if Quebec seperated from Canada, would keep them from complaining all the time.
They actually did a poll and found that a good amount of Canadians actually want Quebec to seperate. Alot of people out west don't like Quebec. At all. Espically after seeing Quebecers protesting the tution hikes even though it still is the lowest in all of North America. Though most of that was because the media only reported the negative aspects.
Half my family is from Quebec, some even still live in Montreal. I'd like to be able to visit there without needing my passport.
Really?! Remember last semester's tuition strike?? I know you're probably wondering but he lives in Vancouver... Yes, I do!! But I go to Dawson College in Montreal because tuition fees here are so so so so so so so so so so so so cheap
So in the end, we pay as much as them, we just made the choice that everyone should pay for education because it's an absolute priority, and not just the students. Because when you have high tuition fees, you make it hard for those who don't have a lot of money to go to university and climb in the social ranks.
If most Quebeckers were complainers/unhappy we would have separated already. I've heard many shocking stories about how much the provinces of Ontario and Alberta hate us, but I'm not narrow-minded enough to apply that to every Ontarian and Albertan I meet.
