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Poll: Is Adele/Michael Buble's genres the most profitable?
View Poll Results: What do you think?
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Yes
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No
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King Michael Buble
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Usher and Michael Buble are targetted at different audiences. With young people Usher is more famous and iconic, with the older generations Michael Buble is.
I think hip hop must be pretty profitable aswell. Some rappers are seriously LOADED. I think that genre opens up the doors to lots of money-making oppotunities, like starting a record label and advertising and stuff like that, which I'm not sure you get doing what Adele, etc. do.
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Buble's demographic is all of ages. Why do you think Liam Payne, and Niall loves Michael Buble so much?
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Originally posted by ABEL
I think you just proved my point.  Pop stars are turning into endorsement deals, and 360 deals because they music career can't generate as much money. But even with endorsement deals, you'd need to be Michael Jackson to have that kind of money.
I'm sure Adele and Buble has some nice endorsement deals under the table too.  Which I will look up in Google now..
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But in the end all the money they make is a result of their music career, so you can't put it in another column. If you look solely at revenue from tours and music sales, and the cost to produce and promote it, then of course the AC artists will have a higher markup.
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Originally posted by Kworb
But in the end all the money they make is a result of their music career, so you can't put it in another column. If you look solely at revenue from tours and music sales, and the cost to produce and promote it, then of course the AC artists will have a higher markup.
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That's true. The only artist that I know can generate this much money is U2. They have high tour budgets and high profit. I think last tour they earned $120 million, same with Elton John.  Hmm... I wonder if Tiziano's tours are profitable too since I hear they're all sold out? 
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Originally posted by ABEL
Right? Like I mean. I don't get how kids today think media hype = profit all the time. It doesn't work that way all the time..
And noooo  Not the Adele drag. But I can see where you're coming from though.
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They're forgetting that millions are spent promoting and marketing the albums and even more the singles, something an artist like Michael, despite doing some promo, doesn't focuses on.
Before her stans get in, she's had lots of promo. '21' didn't happen out of nowhere.
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In retrospect to Gaga, we have Adele literally doing nothing to promote and is about to sell 25 million off 21 by the end of the year.
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That's SO inaccurate , the only reason Adele didnt have to promote , even tho SHE REALLY DID PROMOTE , was because everyone else was hyping , praising and promoting her. Having the phenomenon status is the biggest promo itself.. I'm sick of people saying Adele had no promo.. Honestly.. stop .
And yes it is the most prof genre , cause it touces the demographics that have no clue what piratebay is , so they have to buy the album.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
That's SO inaccurate , the only reason Adele didnt have to promote , even tho SHE REALLY DID PROMOTE , was because everyone else was hyping , praising and promoting her. Having the phenomenon status is the biggest promo itself.. I'm sick of people saying Adele had no promo.. Honestly.. stop
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@ Duca, I guess...
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In terms of record sales, I reckon Adele's profit margins will be substantially higher than those of Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, and Britney. Not only is she selling a tonne, but she's writing her own music, and she's not using any budget straining theatrics.
But then she doesn't have the tour potential that three of the artists I mentioned have.
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Originally posted by ABEL
@ Duca, I guess...
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No I was quoting the article , if that's what you mean..
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Originally posted by Crazytowel
In terms of record sales, I reckon Adele's profit margins will be substantially higher than those of Beyonce, Rihanna, Gaga, and Britney. Not only is she selling a tonne, but she's writing her own music, and she's not using any budget straining theatrics.
But then she doesn't have the tour potential that three of the artists I mentioned have.
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tour potential and Rihanna in the same sentence... really?
I really think Adele could destroy Rihanna in terms of touring.. I bet more people would be willing to see Adele , than Rihanna.
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Originally posted by Crazytowel
But then she doesn't have the tour potential that three of the artists I mentioned have.
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No that's silly, she has more potential than any of those ladies. Maybe for the exception of Gaga though. She was suppose to start touring in Arenas because of her high demand.
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Originally posted by ABEL
Go away, I'm not talking about impact  I'm talking about profits. And you're crazy. Michael Buble is far more global and far more iconic than Usher will ever be.  Buble owns Europe, literally. So please don't take this conversation out of context.
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I only used usher so it would be male and male. And please no one cares about him or his genre. That was my point. I dont see how profit is better than impact and a legacy.  And how is buble ICONIC. That word is already overused as hell on here.
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Originally posted by ABEL
Please read carefully before you make an assumption that will make you look well umm..
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And how much did Adele gross? Please read carefully before you make an assumption that will make you look well umm..
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Originally posted by B94
No that's silly, she has more potential than any of those ladies. Maybe for the exception of Gaga though. She was suppose to start touring in Arenas because of her high demand.
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+1 and yes she cannot touch Gaga in the slightest..but the rest... dust.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
tour potential and Rihanna in the same sentence... really?
I really think Adele could destroy Rihanna in terms of touring.. I bet more people would be willing to see Adele , than Rihanna.
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Notice that I said Adele couldn't live up to 3 of the artists I mentioned. I mentioned 4 artists 
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Originally posted by Duca
They're forgetting that millions are spent promoting and marketing the albums and even more the singles, something an artist like Michael, despite doing some promo, doesn't focuses on.
Before her stans get in, she's had lots of promo. '21' didn't happen out of nowhere.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
That's SO inaccurate , the only reason Adele didnt have to promote , even tho SHE REALLY DID PROMOTE , was because everyone else was hyping , praising and promoting her. Having the phenomenon status is the biggest promo itself.. I'm sick of people saying Adele had no promo.. Honestly.. stop .
And yes it is the most prof genre , cause it touces the demographics that have no clue what piratebay is , so they have to buy the album.
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Adele stans know that she promoted in the beginning. We followed every single one of her appearences and she did in fact do a good amount of work in 2011. But can we agree that her last promoted single outside the UK was SLY? That's two singles. That's not the kind of promotion that usually goes into a +23M selling album. That was one of the point ABEL was trying to make a believe.
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Originally posted by Signs
I only used usher so it would be male and male. And please no one cares about him or his genre. That was my point. I dont see how profit is better than impact and a legacy.  And how is buble ICONIC. That word is already overused as hell on here.
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You really sound.. for the lack of word, stupid right now.
Iconic and Buble rightly fits. No one cares about him or his genre? 7 million people who bought Crazy Love do and I happen to have a copy as well.
Usher is not iconic.
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Originally posted by ABEL
You really sound.. for the lack of word, stupid right now.
Iconic and Buble rightly fits. No one cares about him or his genre? 7 million people who bought Crazy Love do and I happen to have a copy as well.
Usher is not iconic.
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LOL what? Buble is iconic but usher is not? That makes no sense.
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Originally posted by ABEL
That's true. The only artist that I know can generate this much money is U2. They have high tour budgets and high profit. I think last tour they earned $120 million, same with Elton John.  Hmm... I wonder if Tiziano's tours are profitable too since I hear they're all sold out? 
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U2 are equal to or stronger than Madonna when it comes to touring though. They're on another level. They've also had lucrative merchandise sales, especially Bono, who makes lots of money outside of music. Elton does over 100 shows each tour, including another 100 shows in Las Vegas. He's also a successful movie producer (his latest movie grossed $300 million.)
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Originally posted by GoodMusicLover
Adele stans know that she promoted in the beginning. We followed every single one of her appearences and she did in fact do a good amount of work in 2011. But can we agree that her last promoted single outside the UK was SLY? That's two singles. That's not the kind of promotion that usually goes into a +23M selling album. That was one of the point ABEL was trying to make a believe.
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Yeah. I guess I was quite vague with my perception of Adele not promoting. I was I guess talking about the "weight" of all the promotion she did compared to the "weight" of Gaga's promotion.
Adele's promotions I guess are quite minor and quite "standard" (interviews, appearances, performances, and such).
Gaga's promotions are much heavier and much more major and much more in your face kind of thing.
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Originally posted by GoodMusicLover
Adele stans know that she promoted in the beginning. We followed every single one of her appearences and she did in fact do a good amount of work in 2011. But can we agree that her last promoted single outside the UK was SLY? That's two singles. That's not the kind of promotion that usually goes into a +23M selling album. That was one of the point ABEL was trying to make a believe.
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I ll give her kudos for smashing with her album even in 2012 with no promo... but as I said she achieved the 'phenomenon' status , which is massive promo , in 2011 after she had lots of promo. Either way , her success is unprecedented [for a contemporary music diva]
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