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Poll: Was HIAM ahead of its time?
View Poll Results: Was HIAM ahead of its time?
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I agree. Till the World Ends should've been the first single.
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My word, TTWE would've went hard as the first single. It would've gotten lead single treatment, it'd probably go at least 3x platinum... I mean, it was successful, don't get me wrong, but it would've been a huge party smash had it been lead, which is upsetting.
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Originally posted by DvnR
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My word, TTWE would've went hard as the first single. It would've gotten lead single treatment, it'd probably go at least 3x platinum... I mean, it was successful, don't get me wrong, but it would've been a huge party smash had it been lead, which is upsetting.
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Britney's second singles are always her strongest. Her label puts the singles first because they know it will be an instant hit. While the second singles usually have longer life.
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Originally posted by Monroe
The song definitely was different. I don't think people are ready for dubstep in pop music as you can see by the way it's not blending well commercially and jiving with listeners. I think she opened up the experimental side of dubstep and brought it to the mainstream but I don't think listeners were ready for it. The other aspects of Hold It Against Me were also kind of genre breaking, people don't realize it but there are a lot of dance sounds in the song. There are elements of grime, industrial house, rave and trance music in Hold It Against Me. It's a very au courant dance record in it's own right, and it's not as generic as people say it is.
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Your posts are flawless.
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Originally posted by Monroe
That song only did well in four European markets and it completely missed the top 20 in the US. I am not saying Dubstep won't find success in other forms but I think the reason why a lot of people aren't experimenting with it is because a lot of people don't know how to make the genre commercially viable which is why you only hear it sporadically in some songs and why it's not more of a major radio staple. You have tons of artists trying it out from Chris Brown to Flo Rida to Rihanna to Madonna but it's not sticking.
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Completely missed?
No, it's still working its way up. You make it seem as though he's absolutely sinking down the chart, when he isn't.
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Had it been Madonna, Rihanna, GaGa or Beyoncé including a dubstep breakdown in their first single off their new eras, they would have rightfully been credited for introducing it to mass audience and the pop format but when it's Britney, it's suddenly passed along to Skrillex who was virtually unknown in the real world in early 2011!
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Originally posted by Blur
Had it been Madonna, Rihanna, GaGa or Beyoncé including a dubstep breakdown in their first single off their new eras, they would have rightfully been credited for introducing it to mass audience and the pop format but when it's Britney, it's suddenly passed along to Skrillex who was virtually unknown in the real world in early 2011!
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I wouldn't say all that to the last bit. But I somewhat agree. If it was another artist everyone will agree how it was them who brought it to the mainstream. But Skrillex was a popular underground DJ, he hadn't gone mainstream. What made him popular was when everyone was talking about the breakdown in HIAM. I remember comments on his videos with people complaining about how Britney ruined dubstep by making it mainstream. She didn't make him popular, what made him popular was the interest in dubstep after people were talking about it. I was, I wanted to know what the hell dubstep was, since so many people were talking about it after Britney did it.
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
Completely missed?
No, it's still working its way up. You make it seem as though he's absolutely sinking down the chart, when he isn't.
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None of his albums have performed well in any big markets. His last three EP's have performed like this: #49 (2010), #124 (2011), #14 (2011). His singles have performed even worse around the globe. There is no way anyone could say Skillrex brought dubstep to the mainstream considering his abysmal commercial performance since he came out.
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Originally posted by Lasers
What does that have to do with "starting" it?
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I don't believe anyone is saying Britney created dubstep. Simply that she deserves credit for bringing it to the mainstream and popularizing it and bringing it to a bigger audience. That's all.
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Originally posted by DvnR
He doesn't have any albums.
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EP's. LP's. Regardless. They all perform terribly.
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charts don't make impact.
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Yes they do. Charts are not infallible by any means, however they do serve to measure what is popular with music listeners. Ultimately if you are not reaching any significant amount of people with your music you can't say that they have had an impact. You could say at most Skillrex had a (minor) cult following but he did not in anyway impact the popular music scene in any pivotal way. The fact is no one knew who he was and a lot of people still don't. He has produced music for three years now, and only in this past year has he started to gain some footing in terms of getting people to notice him and even that is a stretch to say at best as he still hasn't scored a top 10 album/EP anywhere.
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The word of mouth, people listening to the music, and people talking about it makes impact. The AUDIO of Scary Monsters And Nice Sprites has nearly 100 million views on YouTube (which is more than HIAM's music video and audio combined). It doesn't have a music video. It didn't get "pop promo." It wasn't incredibly hyped like HIAM was.
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I would agree with this if anyone knew who the **** Skillrex was, as it stands no one knows anything about him in terms of the general public and most people probably couldn't pick him out of a police line up.
The fact that Hold It Against Me went top 10 in over 22 countries shows that she had a bigger impact in music by way of airwaves and just in general reaching more people with her music. It's worth it to say that this was most people's first experience with dubstep in terms of the general public hearing this kind of music.
You brought up 100 million youtube views (over the course of 2 years), you are aware that at it's peak Hold It Against Me reached well over 90 million people weekly just in one country, simply by people listening to the radio? Hold It Against Me (the song) EASILY reached more people then Skillrex has, and Femme Fatale as an album has sold and reached more people then all of Skillrex's musical projects combined and magnified. I would maybe lend credence to your point if the general public recognized him or knew at least what he looked like but as it stands he is hardly a figurehead that most people would know about on the music scene. Even as a producer/DJ he is less well known than the likes of Calvin Harris, David Guetta or even the likes of Tiesto and other popular remix DJ's. If no one buys his music and a limited amount of people listen to his songs, where is his impact in popular music?
Exactly it's minuscule if anything. He has gone nowhere. Thus people cannot say he popularized it or introduced it into the mainstream. It's as simple as that. Stanning aside. Britney mainstreamed dubstep, you can see that by the fact that many popular music artists experimented with dubstep after Hold It Against Me was released.
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****ing god this forum sometimes
she's a mainstream pop artist
NOTHING she does is ahead of its time
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No.
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Originally posted by Blur
Had it been Madonna, Rihanna, GaGa or Beyoncé including a dubstep breakdown in their first single off their new eras, they would have rightfully been credited for introducing it to mass audience and the pop format but when it's Britney, it's suddenly passed along to Skrillex who was virtually unknown in the real world in early 2011!
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I literally cannot at the people out here who don't want to face the truth / give some credits to Britney and her producers.
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Apart from music fans or people who follow pop culture quite intensely, the song really has been forgotten. People make it out to be some massive record that completely reinvented pop radio. It may have had some impact, but not to the extent that people say it did. The song was not ahead, nor behind its time.
It's a standard dance-pop track, with a "dubstep influenced" breakdown and nicely polished production. It would still sound fresh had it been released today, but that doesn't really mean it was ultimately ahead of its time. 2011 was not that long ago. Music hasn't changed that much in the space of a year or so.
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Originally posted by Monroe
None of his albums have performed well in any big markets. His last three EP's have performed like this: #49 (2010), #124 (2011), #14 (2011). His singles have performed even worse around the globe. There is no way anyone could say Skillrex brought dubstep to the mainstream considering his abysmal commercial performance since he came out.
I don't believe anyone is saying Britney created dubstep. Simply that she deserves credit for bringing it to the mainstream and popularizing it and bringing it to a bigger audience. That's all.
EP's. LP's. Regardless. They all perform terribly.
Yes they do. Charts are not infallible by any means, however they do serve to measure what is popular with music listeners. Ultimately if you are not reaching any significant amount of people with your music you can't say that they have had an impact. You could say at most Skillrex had a (minor) cult following but he did not in anyway impact the popular music scene in any pivotal way. The fact is no one knew who he was and a lot of people still don't. He has produced music for three years now, and only in this past year has he started to gain some footing in terms of getting people to notice him and even that is a stretch to say at best as he still hasn't scored a top 10 album/EP anywhere.
I would agree with this if anyone knew who the **** Skillrex was, as it stands no one knows anything about him in terms of the general public and most people probably couldn't pick him out of a police line up.
The fact that Hold It Against Me went top 10 in over 22 countries shows that she had a bigger impact in music by way of airwaves and just in general reaching more people with her music. It's worth it to say that this was most people's first experience with dubstep in terms of the general public hearing this kind of music.
You brought up 100 million youtube views (over the course of 2 years), you are aware that at it's peak Hold It Against Me reached well over 90 million people weekly just in one country, simply by people listening to the radio? Hold It Against Me (the song) EASILY reached more people then Skillrex has, and Femme Fatale as an album has sold and reached more people then all of Skillrex's musical projects combined and magnified. I would maybe lend credence to your point if the general public recognized him or knew at least what he looked like but as it stands he is hardly a figurehead that most people would know about on the music scene. Even as a producer/DJ he is less well known than the likes of Calvin Harris, David Guetta or even the likes of Tiesto and other popular remix DJ's.
If no one buys his music and a limited amount of people listen to his songs, where is his impact in popular music?
Exactly it's minuscule if anything. He has gone nowhere. Thus people cannot say he popularized it or introduced it into the mainstream. It's as simple as that. Stanning aside. Britney mainstreamed dubstep, you can see that by the fact that many popular music artists experimented with dubstep after Hold It Against Me was released.
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Nicely said.
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Originally posted by KRL
No offense but your posts are hilarious and the fact that you're being serious makes them even more funny
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I don't see what's funny about them. I think people just laugh because they can't recognize the truth of the statements within them. Nothing I said is false, and if only you did a bit more research you could probably see every comment that I made is true. I guess people just want to see Britney's music as generic, disposable pop fluff and it's easier for them to laugh at my statements than really listen to them and look for themselves to see what I am talking about. Dubstep isn't doing to well in pop music right now, as you will see most of the popular dance songs are house based. Hold It Against Me delves into various forms of the sub dance genre, it's right there in the song, if anyone bothered to (re)listen to it and reserve their initial judgement of the song to really listen to the song.
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Originally posted by KRL
No offense but your posts are hilarious and the fact that you're being serious makes them even more funny
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This is a forum. And people make posts, if someone says something you don't agree with you simply debate the issue. That's the point of making a thread to hear other peoples opinions and somehow learn from theirs to better form yours and your argument. Its not that hard, do you think people are laughing when they write their posts or something?
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Originally posted by Monroe
None of his albums have performed well in any big markets. His last three EP's have performed like this: #49 (2010), #124 (2011), #14 (2011). His singles have performed even worse around the globe. There is no way anyone could say Skillrex brought dubstep to the mainstream considering his abysmal commercial performance since he came out. .
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I was talking about Alex Clare's "Too Close," which is charting decently and has been progressively climbing. He's actually number one on Mediabase's Alternative chart right now, and is sitting at 27 on pop, which is VERY good, considering how long the song has been out and the advertisement has been in rotation.
I wasn't talking about Skrillex, whose music in its current form is admittedly too harsh for pop radio DJs to want to play outside of their dance remix hours. However, he has enjoyed commercial success to a degree, even earning one million sales for "Scary Monsters And Nice Sprites."
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Not at all
It's a generic dance pop song with some dubstep. Not original. Seriously overrated by Britney stans.
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No, it was behind the time since it was basically what was on the radio at the time.
That breakdown was barely ahead only because this was an American artist/producer using UK-underground-influenced skills that weren't fully developed in the States at the time.
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No, it wasn't.
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Originally posted by KRL
But it isn't a dubstep track.. just like the rest of the album it's a generic song that's not different from anything that florida, pitbull, chris brown or katy perry put out.
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I'm assuming you haven't heard Femme Fatale. It has dubstep weaved through out the entire album and a remix of Till The World Ends also featured prominent dubstep influences and breakdowns. Ultimately I don't care if you think it's "pure dubstep" or not, I care about the fact that it was the first song to prominently feature the sub-dance genre in a popular music song which lead to other artists experimenting with it. In terms of using dubstep Britney has been the at the forefront of bringing it to the mainstream and that can't be denied.
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you guys sound just as ridiculous as christina aguilera fans who credit her for the success of MLJ. yes, Britney's producers were smart to be one of the first to put dubstep in a mainstream song but it did not popularize it nor was it ahead of it's time
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The two situations can't be compared. Britney predominantly featured dubstep in two of her songs and on two of three of her most recent albums which led to it being utilized in mainstream music, that's a fact. This is not the same thing as fighting over whose the cause for a songs success on a Billboard chart.
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Originally posted by KRL
But it isn't a dubstep track.. just like the rest of the album it's a generic song that's not different from anything that florida, pitbull, chris brown or katy perry put out. Yes it has a dubstep part but it's like 30 seconds, and it's very simplified and watered down. you guys sound just as ridiculous as christina aguilera fans who credit her for the success of MLJ. yes, Britney's producers were smart to be one of the first to put dubstep in a mainstream song but it did not popularize it nor was it ahead of it's time
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No one said it was. The arguments here are people saying the it was one of the few to put dubstep to mainstream radio. Radio will not play a hard hitting dubstep song. Skrillex, Rusko, and others will not see mainstream radio play. Dubstep will only be played if its watered down, and that's the breakdown. It doesn't only contain dubstep influences but trance and rave, and the general dance genres. Britney popularized it for pop fans, not dance and electro fans. The media was making a big deal about this dubstep thing, and of course it spiked its interest to another niche or people.
And Britney was the first mainstream pop artist to even use any form of dubstep according to Pitchfork, this was all in 2007.
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But context is everything. Unlike her superstar ex (no, not K-Fed), Britney's borrowings from urban music don't have a safety net of contact book authenticity: There are no "[ft.]"'s on Blackout. When Team Britney require a dubstep track, for instance, they simply borrow some production tricks and make one. The result is "Freakshow", built around the "wobbler" effect that's a genre standby. A dubstep forum thread on the tune hit seven pages in 24 hours, mixing outrage and delight: It still seems to matter when the mainstream borrows underground music, brings it into the wider pop vocabulary.
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And from OC Weekley
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I've just discovered a new recording artist named Britney Spears, and I'm dying to tell y'all about her. Spears' new song, “Freakshow,” displays a lot of promise. I predict very big things for her.
The production—by Timbaland protégé Danja—is off the hook: very sparse and bass-heavy, revealing the influence of that hot new London-centric electronic-music genre dubstep and Timbo's exotic/skeletal funk techniques.
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Britney even used dubstep in the remix for Till The World Ends.
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