I love rihanna.....but gurl?



I don't even think the general public refers to rihanna as a pop star

The Edge of Glory and You & I were both international successes.

And the tour's just the icing on the cake, really. The album was a massive success by any measure.

Don't forget "Judas" though. It may not have had legs in the US but it was internationally the second most successful of the five singles.

In most main stream media that reaches the general public only Madonna is referred to as the Queen of Pop. No matter how much stans of others want it, that title is only going to stick with one woman to and beyond her grave and the name of that woman is Madonna.

This.

People saying Gaga and others are delusional. By the time Madonna was on her third studio album, she had created ACTUALLY ICONIC hits like;
Holiday, Borderline, Lucky Star, Like a Virgin, Material Girl, Into The Groove, Crazy For You, Live To Tell, Papa Don't Preach, La Isla Bonita, Open Your Heart, etc.

Nobody comes close to the level of impact Madonna and Michael had. I mean, Madonna's style was copied by hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of young women in the Western World through the '80s. She caused mass hysteria and controversy, dealt with everything in a super intelligent and successful manner, and was never afraid to speak her mind (and she's still doing it).

She - along with people like Aretha, Elvis, James, Marvin, John, Janis, Joni, Etta and Michael - will be remembered not only because they had big hits or great music, but because they actually changed culture.

I don't see anyone since Madonna and Michael doing anything close to that as importantly or successfully, so they deserve nothing.

P.S. Calling Britney Spears the Princess is an insult to Madonna.

Riiight. Thanks.

Again - all you're saying is true but it still doesn't change the fact Gaga hasn't proved STAYING POWER.

Christina Aguilera had more hits than Britney in the US until Stripped/Britney eras. There are stars that are HUGE and then completely fall off/become shells of their former success.

Now I don't think that will happen with Gaga, but I am also not gonna call Gaga a legend after only 3 years. Just because she is big NOW does not mean she will be in 2015. The other girls mentioned (besides Ke$ha, Nicki & Katy - and again even Katy more than Gaga) have proved staying power - Gaga has NOT YET.

Add to the fact that Gaga went from fun pop to "deep, artistic pop" or whatever you wanna call it on Born This Way, only her 2nd album, she has kinda limited herself for the kind of evolution and artistic progression one can make to truly be a roadmap for pop success. Even some Monsters have acknowledged the new album will more than likely be a step BACK from Born This Way. She did so much so radically so fast - where will she go from here?

I do think Gaga will succeed but you can't get mad at people for being logical - the fact is she has barely been around 3 years. She still has a lot to prove before you start lumping her with people who have been around decades, REGARDLESS of her sales.

... no it isn't. It has nothing to do with her but for the fact that she can't be called Queen because there already is one, so the second biggest female pop star got the Princess title. How on Earth is that an insult?

320 million dear

http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=246169

The person typed albums not records dear

True.
Beyonce is definitely one who is up there with the greats.

Logical? They're not only saying she hasn't proved any staying power, they're implying and in some cases flat out saying she will fade or will not show staying power with nothing to back that up. There's no reason to assume anything but that she will stick around, based on the fact that she sold over 6 million copies of an album that the GP apparently "hated" and that was a "flop". We know she's going to backtrack and not be as deep and meaningful, she said it herself. How on earth does that affect her success or future legacy? True Blue didn't have a deep, meaningful message to it, and it became Madonna's biggest success. ...Baby One More Time has no deep message, and it sold about the same as True Blue. Gaga has been around for nearly 4 years on a big scale and more on a smaller scale. I don't think that she needs to prove much more with her current numbers, but if she needs to prove it to you, just wait a couple years and it will be proven.

Madonna, Britney and Beyonce are the Trinity

Katy and Rihanna are coming in close second

Either way, my thread says it's 218 million.

I kind of meant it in a "Britney Spears is an untalented piece of trailer trash who got talented on the back of being jailbait, which she has now lost because she looks about 42 and is an incompetent and braindead zombie - while Madonna isn't" kinda way.

Wait, you think Katy and Rihanna are closer to the trinity than Gaga?

Exactly. People let Single Ladies mess with their minds; Beyonce is an R&B artist at heart. From Destiny's Child to now. Her only Grammy out of her 16 in a pop category is Halo for Pop Vocal; even IASF itself got Contemporary R&B album and it is her most "pop" record to date.

218, 200 not a big enough difference to be taking out receipts on a fan who is clearly on your side. It's kind of petty.

What the flip is a "trinity" anyway? There's only one Queen, etc.

We haven't had any queen of pop before. But I doubt anything will change. Gaga, Britney, Rihanna can't be the queen of pop because there is a queen already and they can't destroy her legacy. People recognize Michael, Madonna and Britney as pop royalty and no magazine will change the gp's concept of king, queen and princess if the general public doesn't agree with it. Which won't happen for now.


You're always so pressed. Brit Brit has you insecure.