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Single: Nicki Minaj - "Pound the Alarm"
Member Since: 10/8/2011
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I need this released in the U.S. before I can get hyped for this to smash. The UK slayage isn't cutting it for me, until it slays the US too ![Fonso](images/smilies/suspicious.gif)
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by TPG14
I need this released in the U.S. before I can get hyped for this to smash. The UK slayage isn't cutting it for me, until it slays the US too ![Fonso](images/smilies/suspicious.gif)
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I feel you
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Surprised somebody hasn't already posted this...
Pound The Alarm
#10 (+6)
In the UK Official Mid-Week Chart! ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif) Another top ten for Nicki ! ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Addicted
Surprised somebody hasn't already posted this...
Pound The Alarm
#10 (+6)
In the UK Official Mid-Week Chart! ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif) Another top ten for Nicki ! ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
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pls nicki release it in usssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssss
i don't want her to release the video for the time being for us charting time
i want a no 1 in uk
i don't care about us
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Member Since: 3/26/2012
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It's getting released the 17th in the US, correct? It's perfect for Summer, tbh.
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Member Since: 7/16/2010
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Your post has so many flaws that it's redicuous. First of all, an artist can give a song an enormous amount of promotion but that doesn't mean that it will go #1. Madonna performed GMAYL on the SUPER BOWL (aka the most watched show on American TV) but it only hit #10. Rihanna performed WHYB on the AMERICAN IDOL FINALE but it only hit #5. Taylor Swift tweeted to her 16 MILLION+ FOLLOWERS to buy Ed Sheeran's album but it only peaked at #5..
Second of all, even if a song/album does get major promotion, it is up to the general public whether it hits #1 or not. It doesn't matter if the President performed the song; if America does not like it, it will not go #1.
End discussion.
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![too funny](images/smilies/images/smilies/priceless.gif)
I'd never said that promo alone makes a song go #1, I am talking about the right strategy, that includes promo. Ofcourse other factors like radio and stuff also play a role. But CMM provided HEAVILY from the viral campagne, the song is catchy and infectious but nothing amazing, and I doubt that if it didn't got all the attention by those stars, that it would have been so big, she got the right support from the right people.
Bieber, Big Time Rush etc. were part of that video, so it got spread on every fan site of those artists, it got heavily posted on tumblr and twitter, it ended even up some local news around the world. After that it went bigger and bigger, Katy Perry made a similair video, loads of unknown people made their own version
She was new and basically unknown for the biggest part of the world, she had a lot of luck, People checked her because of the whole hype, but that wasn't really for her lyrical content tbh. you are reaching too much with saying she reached it because it is a tad different than most stuff out there, everything can reach #1 with the right campagne and support and some luck whether someone sings about partying or about buying a car or about wanting to be called by a random guy.
And ofcourse there have been artists that had problems even with major promo, like a Madonna, but she didn't had much US support in her last few era's Hung Up reached #7, Sorry #58, the rest of that era became bubbling under. 4 Minutes reached #3, Give It To Me reached #57, Miles Away did nothing, Celebration reached #71, Gimme All Your Lovin' reached #10, Girls Gone Wild reached #106, you see US isn't really here for Madonna, her first singles do well but after that they basically ignore her, while her stuff also fits in the crowd but is a tad different than those party songs, And Gimme All Your Lovin' is not a party song, it is different from the major crowd and still didn't reached #1, so it also proves that your point isn't 100% correct.
And about Ed Sheeran, his fanbase is probable a tad different than the one of Taylor at some points, while Carly fits perfectly in the fanbases of Bieber, Selena, Big Time Rush etc.
idk about riri though, she just came from the whole Birthday Cake thing and like I said promo alone isnt enough, probably other factors played a role, so yeah it isn't #1
Ofcourse general public plays a role, but they also get easily manipulated, and I don't say it is the case in this example but like I said, CMM basically was everywhere at times, but the general public doesn't always 100% buy just what they like, it is also what is feed to them by media like radio and stuff.
so no, I don't think everything you said is right, you have an opinion, that is okay, but you act like your opinion is a fact and it isn't. Just agree to disagree, since we both have other opinions and that is fine.
But don't send messages that you responded to me, please.
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5 more days till it's released in the US, are y'all ready for the slaying?? ![Celestial 4](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/2f010f9e.gif)
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Originally posted by xAyana
5 more days till it's released in the US, are y'all ready for the slaying?? ![Celestial 4](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/2f010f9e.gif)
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I'm ready!
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Your post has so many flaws that it's redicuous. First of all, an artist can give a song an enormous amount of promotion but that doesn't mean that it will go #1. Madonna performed GMAYL on the SUPER BOWL (aka the most watched show on American TV) but it only hit #10. Rihanna performed WHYB on the AMERICAN IDOL FINALE but it only hit #5. Taylor Swift tweeted to her 16 MILLION+ FOLLOWERS to buy Ed Sheeran's album but it only peaked at #5..
Second of all, even if a song/album does get major promotion, it is up to the general public whether it hits #1 or not. It doesn't matter if the President performed the song; if America does not like it, it will not go #1.
End discussion.
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1. GMAYL was removed off itunes after the Super Bowl when it was at number 2 which counted for the song not going higher.
2. Is that such a burden that WHYB didn't reach #1 but the TOP 5 after an american idol performance?
3. Please, you expect all of her 16 million followers to say "ok, i'll buy the album because you said so". And it reached NUMBER FIVE. Is that SO bad?
It looks like nothing is ANYTHING unless it hits #1.
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Just listen for a sec. Call Me Maybe is generic, but not in the way that most other songs on the radio are right now. For example, let's take Wild Ones, Starships, Scream, and Good Time. They all have extremely similar beats, and all are about having good times and partying. However, Call Me Maybe sounds completely different from every other song because it has influences of disco music and does not rely on an overdone pop melody. It's lyrics aren't even like those in most other songs right now; rather than partying it up, Carly sings about how she wants a guy to call her. CMM may be generic, but it is not generic in the context of today's popular songs, and that is precisely why it hit #1 and PTA will not.
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Thank you. That's exactly what I meant.
Pound the Alarm and Starships are two of the most generic songs of 2012. There's no denying that. Call Me Maybe isn't exactly revolutionary, but it's nowhere near as generic as Pound the Alarm. Call Me Maybe's production is very different to all those other songs like Starships, Scream, Where Have You Been, etc, which are almost the same.
Not to mention, the breakdown in Pound the Alarm just reeks of desperation to copy the Party Rock Anthem breakdown, and it is absolutely not going to #1. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, but people that think it's going to #1 are going to be very disappointed in a few months.
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Thank you. That's exactly what I meant.
Pound the Alarm and Starships are two of the most generic songs of 2012. There's no denying that. Call Me Maybe isn't exactly revolutionary, but it's nowhere near as generic as Pound the Alarm. Call Me Maybe's production is very different to all those other songs like Starships, Scream, Where Have You Been, etc, which are almost the same.
Not to mention, the breakdown in Pound the Alarm just reeks of desperation to copy the Party Rock Anthem breakdown, and it is absolutely not going to #1. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, but people that think it's going to #1 are going to be very disappointed in a few months.
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In spite of all this arguing... Why are you so sure PTA won't go #1 ?
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by TVilla
In spite of all this arguing... Why are you so sure PTA won't go #1 ?
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I think it'll have similar performance to Where Have You Been or Turn Me On.
It's not easy for a song to get #1 anymore. Only the really, really, really massive hits can do it now. I know back in 2006-2008, all sorts of songs would get #1, and the charts were fast-moving, but now they're not anymore.
And, as we established before, it's been 6 months since a song similar to Pound the Alarm got to #1 (We Found Love). We're past the stage where you can just release a dance song at it goes #1 like you could do in 2008.
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Originally posted by Tsuko
I think it'll have similar performance to Where Have You Been or Turn Me On.
It's not easy for a song to get #1 anymore. Only the really, really, really massive hits can do it now. I know back in 2006-2008, all sorts of songs would get #1, and the charts were fast-moving, but now they're not anymore.
And, as we established before, it's been 6 months since a song similar to Pound the Alarm got to #1 (We Found Love). We're past the stage where you can just release a dance song at it goes #1 like you could do in 2008.
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You have a point but - anything is possible! ![eli's_rhythm](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/eli_zps0932edf9.gif)
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Originally posted by TVilla
You have a point but - anything is possible! ![eli's_rhythm](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/eli_zps0932edf9.gif)
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basically this.
I am def. not saying it will hit #1, but it is hard in general, even an "fresh" song has trouble to reach high, as artist you need to create bandwagons and hypes (or get people create them for you) or special remixes (or other campagnes like discounts) to get an easy #1, that was my point in general. It will be hard and yeah most likely it will be top 10, but nothing is impossible
That is why I also began about the massive viral hype that CMM got, it was something for her to get herself out there, and it attracted loads of buyers, you have to have loads of luck and/or the right people around you, whether we talk about celeb friends, a label, fanbase etc,
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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If Nicki is going to get a number one this era, PTA and VVV are her only chances. And PTA is doing extremely well on it's own, if she has a decent promo campaign with a discount then she has a number one.
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Member Since: 6/15/2012
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Originally posted by TVilla
1. GMAYL was removed off itunes after the Super Bowl when it was at number 2 which counted for the song not going higher.
2. Is that such a burden that WHYB didn't reach #1 but the TOP 5 after an american idol performance?
3. Please, you expect all of her 16 million followers to say "ok, i'll buy the album because you said so". And it reached NUMBER FIVE. Is that SO bad?
It looks like nothing is ANYTHING unless it hits #1.
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Can we just take a moment to try and give each other a chance? Now, you may have not read J-esper's comment, but she said, and I quote "every song can hit #1 with the right campagne and support". The ONLY reason why I posted those three examples was to prove that her point was not necessarily true and that even with the largest ampunt of promotion, a song can still miss the #1 spot. That's the only reason why I posted that, not to make it seem like anything less than #1 is worthless. I hope you understand what I'm saying and don't just argue with me for the sake of arguing.
And about your three points, that still does not excuse the fact that they missed the #1 spot. I can come up with all the reasons in the world for why Usher's Scream didn't hit #1, but does that excuse the fact that it only hit #10? NO!
Anyway, I'm not trying to argue with you guys, but it seems like you guys aren't even paying attention to what I'm trying to say and that makes me feel sad. ![so sad](images/smilies/images/smilies/sosad.gif)
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Member Since: 7/9/2009
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Originally posted by csybeyking
If Nicki is going to get a number one this era, PTA and VVV are her only chances. And PTA is doing extremely well on it's own, if she has a decent promo campaign with a discount then she has a number one.
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I think Whip It has a better chance than PTA and also HOV Lane, if promoted correctly, could actually be the Super Bass of this era and crossover urban and pop and be a #1 smash.
Nobody agrees with me about HOV Lane though.
I am scared for Pound The Alarm's US release.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Thank you. That's exactly what I meant.
Pound the Alarm and Starships are two of the most generic songs of 2012. There's no denying that. Call Me Maybe isn't exactly revolutionary, but it's nowhere near as generic as Pound the Alarm. Call Me Maybe's production is very different to all those other songs like Starships, Scream, Where Have You Been, etc, which are almost the same.
Not to mention, the breakdown in Pound the Alarm just reeks of desperation to copy the Party Rock Anthem breakdown, and it is absolutely not going to #1. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, but people that think it's going to #1 are going to be very disappointed in a few months.
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Don't do Where Have You Been like that. WHYB is genius.
Dance pop =/= generic.
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Originally posted by ItsKingsleyBitch
I think Whip It has a better chance than PTA and also HOV Lane, if promoted correctly, could actually be the Super Bass of this era and crossover urban and pop and be a #1 smash.
Nobody agrees with me about HOV Lane though.
I am scared for Pound The Alarm's US release.
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Agreed on everything.
I'm not worried about PTA worldwide, but I'm not sure how well it'll do in America. Honestly, I pray it doesn't do close to as well as Starships because that's just going to hinder the success of the next single (Va Va Voom or Whip It, both which need to smash)
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This argument is so pointless it's been going on for pages now ![Ace Reject](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/c74c86fd.gif) It's gonna be a single so anyone upset by that just don't post in the thread for the song
Anyway, still climbing in the UK, close to #7! and up to #16 on UK airplay, so rising on both!
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Originally posted by Doc
Agreed on everything.
I'm not worried about PTA worldwide, but I'm not sure how well it'll do in America. Honestly, I pray it doesn't do close to as well as Starships because that's just going to hinder the success of the next single (Va Va Voom or Whip It, both which need to smash)
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Yeah it's obvious PTA is gonna slay worldwide, which is cool. Yay for the world.
But Starships' success is what is scaring me - not even for future singles, but because Starships has been in the top 10 for 21 weeks, it has been EVERYWHERE, and Pound The Alarm has the exact. same. structure.
Now worldwide, like we said, that's fine, because they like that ****. But over here, where she already got severe backlash and alienation BECAUSE of Starships, for her next mainstream single to be the EXACT SAME after a 21+ week massive hit just seems like it won't end well. I just don't want the momentum on the pop side to stop.
I hope the video slays and that promo is very well planned!! I like the song, I just wish it was the final single instead of now.
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