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Discussion: How does Katy slay so effortlessly?
Member Since: 1/16/2011
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I can't at some of the delusion in this thread. 
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Member Since: 12/28/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
How is Rihanna's music so much targeted to guys?
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More so than Katy's, that's all. Rihanna is not nearly as bubble gum/girly girl. And Katycats, don't get your panties all in a wad. This isn't a drag on Katy. There's nothing wrong with her or her music.
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Member Since: 5/10/2012
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Originally posted by Giacobbe
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Could you see a straight guy jamming to BTW? Or RTW? Katys singles are all likeable and even when she does empowerment anthems, they could cater to everybody. Straight guys listen to her, get over it. |
And you bring up those singles specifically because?
There are plenty of straight guys who I know who are keen to Crazy in Love, Just Dance, Bad Romance, Telephone, and the like. Obviously you brought up the gay-friendly BTW and the bombastic feminist ode RTW to back up a VERY one-sided argument. No where in my argument did I say that straight guys DON'T listen to her. I just said that Katy mainly caters to a female demographic, and that is FACT.
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Member Since: 1/16/2011
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I don't think Katy necessarily "caters" to anyone, she writes and makes music she likes.
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Originally posted by gagakyle
Do you have some market search from Billboard that we don't? I've never seen any stats for males/females buying Katy's music. Not necessarily reflective.
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Most of the guys I talk to in school like her music, but when asked about Gaga, reply with disgust or distaste 
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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I can't with the generalization
Yes, you most likely won't see straight guys jamming to CG and TD but they might bop to FW and jam to E.T, LFN, TOTGA
Straight men love her for her looks and love her for some of her songs...honestly Snoop Dogg had to have been jamming out to CG
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by DAP
And you bring up those singles specifically because?
There are plenty of straight guys who I know who are keen to Crazy in Love, Just Dance, Bad Romance, Telephone, and the like. Obviously you brought up the gay-friendly BTW and the bombastic feminist ode RTW to back up a VERY one-sided argument. No where in my argument did I say that straight guys DON'T listen to her. I just said that Katy mainly caters to a female demographic, and that is FACT.
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I brought them up because it was the perfect example of how you said guys listen to Katy as much as Gaga and Bey.
All 3 had empowerment anthems. I just compared them.
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I like her songs but her personality is weird. She seems kinda cold, which isn't bad but its weird with the image she puts out
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by DAP
And you bring up those singles specifically because?
There are plenty of straight guys who I know who are keen to Crazy in Love, Just Dance, Bad Romance, Telephone, and the like. Obviously you brought up the gay-friendly BTW and the bombastic feminist ode RTW to back up a VERY one-sided argument. No where in my argument did I say that straight guys DON'T listen to her. I just said that Katy mainly caters to a female demographic, and that is FACT.
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You're saying Gaga and Bey have more straight male fans? 
Oh and receipts on the "FACT"
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Also, those of you critiquing Katy and calling her "safe", may we take a quick look at Gaga?
Born This Way, of course, was not a safe album, however, the singles chosen were easily the safest singles. All had the redundant, synth filled hook (Judas most notably, rehashing the Bad Romance Hook), and all were VERY safe for radio (in terms of beats, catchiness, etc.) The only risk she took was Marry The Night, and interscope admitted to it.
If we're going to pull the "safe" card, the only artist that can be brought into the debate is Bey, since she's released a lot of unsafe singles out of 4.
I'm not shading, I'm just attempting to sort out some of the delusion in this thread.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Katy is so popular because while her music may be generic, she happens to be a fun person with an overall enjoyable atmosphere about her.
And being generic isn't really a bad thing, either; TD:CC (minus the extra remixes and the mashup, I mean the 15 original songs) has an average 9.63 rating for me.
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Originally posted by gettsleazy
Born This Way, of course, was not a safe album, however, the singles chosen were easily the safest singles. All had the redundant, synth filled hook (Judas most notably, rehashing the Bad Romance Hook), and all were VERY safe for radio (in terms of beats, catchiness, etc.) The only risk she took was Marry The Night, and interscope admitted to it.
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Yes the singles were safe, but they were far from the safest. I didn't see "Scheisse" or "Hair" being released to radio.
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Originally posted by FantasySoul
Her **** is catchy, she needs to take risk with singles  |
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Originally posted by heavymetal0verr
She isn't polarizing, nothing she does aggravates, upsets or bothers anyone. She releases 'fun,' and safe singles, + people buy them.
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
She doesn't take risks. Always the same formula.  |
Oh please, everyone said TOTGA and WA were going to flop and they ended being Top 5 hits. The magnitude of success they have had doesn't change the fact that the single choices were not safe. TOTGA is an okay track, and I think releasing it as a single right after her 6 upbeat previous smashes was a risk, especially since LFN was released before. Even I was not sure if the gp were here for the sad, remorseful Katy, but she has proven us all wrong twice. It's mind baffling when people say she doesn't take risks, when she decided to release WA, a melancholic, gloomy track on the freaking summer, in which songs like "PRA" and "Dynamite" tend to make serious chart damage.
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Originally posted by castrobabytiger
she plays it safe
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I even remember you and lots of members saying WA was not going to reach top 30 
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Originally posted by MJ Boston
I like Katy but she's 100% formulaic. Works with the guaranteed hitmakers for generic but successful results. There's little to no risk taking in any of her work. Teenage Dream = manufactured bubble gum. One Of The Boys is a much better album IMO. I like her though and she's gorgeous.. her appearance definitely helps. And she's everywhere promo wise.
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God, I don't know how many times we've stated this but here we go. Did Britney get Katy-leveled success with the Dr Luke packed Femme Fatale? Did Primadonna smash? Was Domino a chart juggernaut? Making music with the top producers on the industry does not equal to instant chart success. Other artists make manufactured bubble gum albums and they don't get 2 cents for it. Katy made "TD" simply because she had the desire to release a massive pop album (just like she has stated she would love to make an acoustic record), not because she was striving for 6 #1's. Even Katy's expectations were surpassed.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by MJ Boston
More so than Katy's, that's all. Rihanna is not nearly as bubble gum/girly girl. And Katycats, don't get your panties all in a wad. This isn't a drag on Katy. There's nothing wrong with her or her music.
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She's moved on from the bubble gum pop and the whole world sees that.
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Member Since: 2/22/2012
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Because she's wearing Gaga's shoes 
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I don't think people know what bubblegum pop actually is It's better just to say teen pop
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Member Since: 5/10/2012
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Originally posted by Giacobbe
I brought them up because it was the perfect example of how you said guys listen to Katy as much as Gaga and Bey.
All 3 had empowerment anthems. I just compared them.
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With an intent to support a baseless argument. Straight guys listen to Katy just as they do with Gaga and Beyonce.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
You're saying Gaga and Bey have more straight male friends?
Oh and receipts on the "FACT" |
I never brought up their personal lives. You did.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Teen Dreamer
Oh please, everyone said TOTGA and WA were going to flop and they ended being Top 5 hits. The magnitude of success they have had doesn't change the fact that the single choices were not safe. TOTGA is an okay track, and I think releasing it as a single right after her 6 upbeat previous smashes was a risk, especially since LFN was released before. Even I was not sure if the gp were here for the sad, remorseful Katy, but she has proven us all wrong twice. It's mind baffling when people say she doesn't take risks, when she decided to release WA, a melancholic, gloomy track on the freaking summer, in which songs like "PRA" and "Dynamite" tend to make serious chart damage.
I even remember you and lots of members saying WA was not going to reach top 30
God, I don't know how many times we've stated this but here we go. Did Britney get Katy-leveled success with the Dr Luke packed Femme Fatale? Did Primadonna smash? Was Domino a chart juggernaut? Making music with the top producers on the industry does not equal to instant chart success. Other artists make manufactured bubble gum albums and they don't get 2 cents for it. Katy made "TD" simply because she had the desire to release a massive pop album (just like she has stated she would love to make an acoustic record), not because she was striving for 6 #1's. Even Katy's expectations were surpassed.
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Member Since: 2/20/2012
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Not somebody trying to argue Lady Gaga's singles are safer than Katy's... 
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by DAP
With an intent to support a baseless argument. Straight guys listen to Katy just as they do with Gaga and Beyonce.
I never brought up their personal lives. You did. |
I meant to say "fan"  I don't know what happened. 
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