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Discussion: Your thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"
Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Your thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"
For those of you who don't know about this situation, there are plans to build a Mosque and Muslim Community Center two blocks from the former World Trade Center site. Much controversy has arose from this situation and many victims of the 9/11 attacks are hurt by these plans.
What are your opinions on this situation?
In my opinion, it is completely unnecessary to build this right next to Ground Zero and it almost seems like intentional provocation. I voted on a poll on MSN with hundreds of thousands of voters and 85% of American voters said it should absolutely not be done. 12% said yes. Now with Obama supporting it, it is very upsetting for victims of the 9/11 tragedy.
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Member Since: 12/31/2009
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I support the views of Mayor Bloomberg and President Obama. I believe that they should be able to build whatever they want. "They" being muslims, not terrorists. In America, the two terms are far too often used together. One of the pillars that America stands for is the freedom of Religion. A value that the troops die defending. In the long run, I believe it will be beneficial.
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Member Since: 8/12/2007
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I saw this on the news the other day. I'm not sure if I oppose it anymore, at first I did, I thought it was kind of disrespectful, but then I saw how far apart they would be and I didn't really think of it as a problem.
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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I see this as comparable to the Japanese building their own center next to Pearl Harbor. Things like this just should not be touched and should be left alone.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Americans are fast becoming IDIOTS these days..
It's sad that people caNOT differintiate between
1) A religion, in this case Islam
2) A group of Terrorists. As in, individual MEN who committed an attrocity based on their own crazed beliefs.
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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I really shouldn't have even posted this on this site. I'm thinking about the families and victims of the attacks and how they feel. Whether you like it or not, over 70% of Americans think this is completely wrong.
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Member Since: 9/28/2009
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This seems a bit trivial.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by ozlovezashlee
I saw this on the news the other day. I'm not sure if I oppose it anymore, at first I did, I thought it was kind of disrespectful, but then I saw how far apart they would be and I didn't really think of it as a problem.
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NO Logic.....
Analogy makes no sense because Japan, as a country, attacked American soil.... On the other hand, Islam as a religion, did not attack America.
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Originally posted by discostickk23
I really shouldn't have even posted this on this site. I'm thinking about the families and victims of the attacks and how they feel. Whether you like it or not, over 70% of Americans think this is completely wrong.
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Those statistics are nothing to be proud of. That means that the quality of American education has deteriorated to the point that people can no longer differintiate between people who committed a crime, and their cultural attributes... If we applied the same logic, no "math" should be tought or acknowledged in the area around where the unibomber attacked, since he was afterall a mathmetician
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Member Since: 12/31/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
I really shouldn't have even posted this on this site. I'm thinking about the families and victims of the attacks and how they feel. Whether you like it or not, over 70% of Americans think this is completely wrong.
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70% of Americans my ass.. Out of what? 100 people polled?
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by MissTina
70% of Americans my ass.. Out of what? 100 people polled?
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more like hundreds of thousands...and I got the information from CNN who is more liberal.
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Member Since: 7/24/2006
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I, for one, am glad you posted this. I've been torn about it ever since I heard about it.
I think it should be built, because it sends the wrong message if we don't build it. It says that we consider all Muslims terrorists and they should be kept as far away from American history as possible. That fundamentally goes against the 1st Amendment, and I believe the freedom of religion is one of the most important aspects of America.
On the other hand, I have a few problems with this. First, apparently the guy in charge of this cultural center refuses to say that Hamas is a terrorist organization. That's a huge red flag in my opinion, that's only adding more fear and opposition into this matter. I really think some non-radical mainstream American Muslims need to come out in the open and voice their opinion on terrorism. I know they exist, but they're hardly in the media at all. How can we prove to Americans that not all Muslims are evil if the only ones we ever talk about are the terrorists?
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by Semáforo
On the other hand, I have a few problems with this. First, apparently the guy in charge of this cultural center refuses to say that Hamas is a terrorist organization. That's a huge red flag in my opinion, that's only adding more fear and opposition into this matter. I really think some non-radical mainstream American Muslims need to come out in the open and voice their opinion on terrorism. I know they exist, but they're hardly in the media at all. How can we prove to Americans that not all Muslims are evil if the only ones we ever talk about are the terrorists?
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I didn't know about that, but thanks for the info. That definitely makes me oppose it even more. And I agree that American Muslims should do more to separate themselves from terrorism. There are definitely still people in the US who automatically associate Muslims with terrorism.
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Member Since: 3/21/2010
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Well personally I dont really know the entire situation but i see both sides! As an american I know wat it felt like having to see the towers go down and the pain and suffering it brought to ppl.
But on the other side I see how the religion isn't who attacked it was a group of terroists.
But another question comes to mind, since it's a subject that 70% of ppl here disagree with why can't they place the building somewhere else?
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by Bdawg
But another question comes to mind, since it's a subject that 70% of ppl here disagree with why can't they place the building somewhere else?
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EXACTLY. The Mosque can easily be moved to another area of the city but it seems that the organization does not want to make the effort and is extremely focused on having the mosque built at that exact location.
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Member Since: 8/12/2007
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Originally posted by Bdawg
Well personally I dont really know the entire situation but i see both sides! As an american I know wat it felt like having to see the towers go down and the pain and suffering it brought to ppl.
But on the other side I see how the religion isn't who attacked it was a group of terroists.
But another question comes to mind, since it's a subject that 70% of ppl here disagree with why can't they place the building somewhere else?
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I was thinking the same thing.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
EXACTLY. The Mosque can easily be moved to another area of the city but it seems that the organization does not want to make the effort and is extremely focused on having the mosque built at that exact location.
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IT's a non-issue though. America will absolutely not benefit in any way if we start allowing "fear of the unknown" and flat out ignorance guide us into making irrational, illogical, and prejudiced decisions.
The only way people could even logically feel as though it should be moved is to acknowledge that they view 911 as an attack on America by Islam. If your able to seperate the terrorist from their faith, then there should be no problem
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See I don't really think the problem is that Americans fear the mosque being built there (I know I don't)...but it's a matter of respect to victims and families of victims of the 9/11 attacks. Many of them are hurt and angered by this situation, not because they fear muslims, but because they feel they are disrespecting them. The organization is obviously very focused on constructing the Mosque in that EXACT location, and it makes me wonder why it has to be there. I really see it as intentional provocation.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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^^^^^^^^^^
But that dosen't make sense. If they didn't fear Islam than they would have no issue with the mosque at all. Would these same people complain if the mosque were not a mosque, but a museum of arab history? would they complain if it was a musemum of "man's (literally men) achievements?
I have no problem with people disagreeing with the idea, but i'd appreciate it if they muster up the courage to OWN their ignorance. I absolutely understand (not respect) it if you believe that the mosque should not be built because of the atttack on 911, which is to say you belive the attack on 911 was somehow due to Islam.
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by inspiration4
^^^^^^^^^^
But that dosen't make sense. If they didn't fear Islam than they would have no issue with the mosque at all. Would these same people complain if the mosque were not a mosque, but a museum of arab history? would they complain if it was a musemum of "man's (literally men) achievements?
I have no problem with people disagreeing with the idea, but i'd appreciate it if they muster up the courage to OWN their ignorance. I absolutely understand (not respect) it if you believe that the mosque should not be built because of the atttack on 911, which is to say you belive the attack on 911 was somehow due to Islam.
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well its also a cultural center...but yes, even if it wasn't a mosque, people would still have a problem with it. I am trying to understand why they find it necessary to build at that location and why people try to justify it. Its absolute provocation. They aren't dumb and they know what they're doing.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
well its also a cultural center...but yes, even if it wasn't a mosque, people would still have a problem with it. I am trying to understand why they find it necessary to build at that location and why people try to justify it. Its absolute provocation. They aren't dumb and they know what they're doing.
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But it can only be interpreted as a provocation if you hold unfavorable and misguided views of the islamic religion. A completely objective person who did not see 911 as an attack on America by islam will remain unbothered.
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