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The finale is going to be all sorts of epic. As much as this season lacked direction, it managed to head the show into a clear and distinct direction for next season. In a perfect world, there should be up to 10 seasons for it. The spin-off will start next year too, so the franchise is broadening and the show is slowly blowing up to be the epic future Disney classic its supposed to be.
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Sooo good and at Peter Pan
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This finale was kind of week. They better bring it next season
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This finale was kind of week. They better bring it next season
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I'd agree that it was a weak season finale, but still a nicely tied up closer for the season as a whole. The special effects were miserable for the most part as usual, I'm kinda used to it by now though. I love the whole Dark Peter Pan storyline, how everybody is connected with each other and the fact that next season will include a lot of land-travelling. First and foremost, they need to tackle more fairytales next season. It's not as if there wouldn't be any. Tamara and Greg aren't good villains like Cora was (even though her death was hugely unsatisfying), they are becoming even more annoying than Henry tbh. It's good that the season is over now, all I hope and pray for is that they don't carry the same weaknesses this season had over to the next one in the fall.
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' Once Upon a Time' finale: Showrunners Kitsis & Horowitz talk season 2 -- and what's next
Far-off places, daring sword fights, magic spells, that guy from Can’t Hardly Wait – Once Upon a Time‘s second season had it all, plus an action-packed finale that sent a sextet of major characters careening into the uncharted waters of Neverland. Want to know more about how the show’s writers planned this epic conclusion — as well as their thoughts on the season as a whole? You’re in luck: EW got the whole story straight from Once‘s co-creators-slash-showrunners, Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz. [UPDATE: Here's our full recap of the finale.]
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: How long have you been planning to incorporate Peter Pan into the show? I remember hearing last year that you had to work out a few rights issues first.
EDWARD KITSIS: Honestly, the whole first year, we wanted to do Neverland, and we never could because of the rights issues — which seemed weird, because Disney had a Peter Pan movie, and they had a show called Jake and the Neverland Pirates. We don’t know how or why, but they figured it out. When we finished season 1, we got the go-ahead before we did what we call “mini-camp” — in between seasons, we take two weeks, three weeks, and just kind of blue sky the season. We learned this on Lost. [Both Kitsis and Horowitz wrote for ABC's mystical drama.] That’s when we came up with our Neverland.
Initially, did you have different plans for how you wanted to use Pan?
KITSIS: We knew we wanted to do Hook first. The first idea we had was that Rumpelstiltskin was the crocodile. We talked about, “Why would these two hate each other? What is the thing that could come between them?” And we both realized, “A woman.”
One of the finale’s biggest surprises is that Rumpelstiltskin seems to have tangled with Pan before.
KITSIS: He absolutely knows who Peter Pan is. In true Mr. Gold/Rumpel style, he knows more than Greg and Tamara.
ADAM HOROWITZ: And there’s certainly the implication that there’s a history there, one we’re eager to unfold.
Neverland is a mysterious island filled with mysterious people who kidnap boys for mysterious reasons. The whole thing seems like a callback to another show you two used to work on.
HOROWITZ: Uh, I don’t know what you’re referring to.
KITSIS: It’s funny — I didn’t think of that.
HOROWITZ: We honestly hadn’t thought of that, really, until you brought it up.
KITSIS: Peter Pan is my favorite. I love the idea that all the Lost Boys were orphans, and that they wanted Wendy to be their mom. In episode 21, Wendy painted this great portrait of what Neverland is, but of course –
– it’s actually kind of bleak and sad.
KITSIS: Things are fun for a day, but you need your family. You need an anchor in your life. And so I think we’re seeing that Neverland is a very seductive place for children. But now that you say that, the subtext…
HOROWITZ: You can take the writers out of Lost.
KITSIS: But you can’t take the Lost out of the writers.
HOROWITZ: But we can promise you, no smoke monster in Neverland.
We’re not going to find Tinker Bell at the bottom of a hatch?
KITSIS: No, but Ben Linus might be there.
He’s kind of like a fairy tale villain.
KITSIS: He is! He’s the man behind the curtain.
HOROWITZ: Don’t forget, Ben Linus started as Henry Gale from Wizard of Oz.
KITSIS: We’re really not bringing in Benjamin Linus, because he has a very successful TV show [CBS's Person of Interest, starring ex-Lostie Michael Emerson]. Before people get excited — it’s a joke!
So now we’ve got the Neverland stuff, we’ve got Bae and Mulan in Fairy Land, we’ve still got Storybrooke — how do you plan to cross between worlds next season? Will episodes still include flashbacks?
HOROWITZ: At the end of season 2, we’ve placed our core group in a very difficult situation. Some of them are on the boat; some of them are behind in Storybrooke; some of them are in another land. So the question is, how do we best continue telling their stories? Sometimes that will require flashbacks; sometimes it won’t. We want to continue to expand the storytelling modality of the show, like we did in season 2, where we were able to do things like flash back to Emma for the first time, or see time during the curse.
KITSIS: We are not going to be doing episodes next season that have five different worlds in them. We definitely plan not to overly confuse or complicate the show. It’s about simplifying.
Speaking of simplifying — over the course of season 2, you introduced a ton of new characters. Do you ever worry about the cast getting too unwieldy?
KITSIS: What’s funny is, we added a lot of characters [in] season 2 — but more new characters are introduced [in] season 1, as opposed to the pilot. The characters that got on the boat at the end of the year — we’re really interested in watching this kind of dysfunctional family on this journey together, and I think we’ll meet new people along the way. But our hope is never to have the new people overwhelm it. Season 3, we really want to dive deeper into our core characters, and continually tell their story.
HOROWITZ: We now have the ability to draw out familiar faces from the past when they’re appropriate. Hopefully, the audience is now familiar enough so that it doesn’t feel like you’re adding new characters, but like you’re playing within a large, rich world.
KITSIS: To us, it’s much more fun that Robin Hood steals from Rumpelstiltskin, and that’s who he’s going to kill, as opposed to Knight #3. But what happens then is that people are like, “Hey, it’s a new character!”
So when you drop in somebody like Robin Hood, you don’t necessarily intend him to get a backstory episode. It’s a possibility, but it’s not inevitable.
KITSIS: It is not. Would we like to tell a Robin Hood backstory? Someday, but not at the expense of the other characters.
Between things like Regina killing an entire village and Rumpelstiltskin and Cora’s sexually charged spinning, this season’s been a little darker and sexier than season 1. How difficult is it to keep Once feeling like a family show?
HOROWITZ: These fairy tales always have an element of darkness, and for us, there’s a big distinction between darkness and unpleasantness. And we never want to go there. We’re never going to be a serial killer show. We want to touch on the darkness and the scariness that are inherent in these stories.
KITSIS: This year probably was a little darker. But as Adam said, we’re not trying to alienate our entire audience; what’s fun about this show is that everybody can watch. But season 1, don’t forget, we had Regina rip out the Huntsman’s chest and control him, and she killed her own father.
HOROWITZ: We also try to never lose sight of one of the guiding principles of this show, which is hope.
KITSIS: Even if you look at the end of the year — what’s happened to Henry is a very dark thing. But what he wanted in the beginning of the year was his family to come together — and here they are on a ship, working together to go after him.
HOROWITZ: The irony is, he’s getting [a family] without being there. Emma, Regina, Mr. Gold, Snow, Charming – they’re all united together for a common purpose, which is him.
How do you think Regina and Snow are going to relate to each other, now that they’re working on the same side?
KITSIS: Regina and Rumpelstiltskin are on that ship, and we know what tricks they employ to get what they want. We also know that the Charmings have their own code of honor.
HOROWITZ: Just because you want the same thing, doesn’t mean you agree on the methods. And that’s going to be some of the drama there. Despite the fact that they all want to save Henry, they have a long and difficult history with each other that they need to deal with.
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7.22 million total viewers and a 2.2 18-49 ratings share that may be adjusted up to a 2.3
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what happened to Red? did she leave the show?
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This is very good? Isn't it? I don't really understand the ratings but I would think that if 7.2 million people watched it last night in the US. It's good.
Also I really love the direction and twist they are heading into. Great season finale!
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I loved the finale! Can't wait for next season!
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This is very good? Isn't it? I don't really understand the ratings but I would think that if 7.2 million people watched it last night in the US. It's good.
Also I really love the direction and twist they are heading into. Great season finale!
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It got adjusted up! It's 7.33 million total viewers and a 2.3% of the important for advertisers 18-49 demographic share. These ratings are good, but down from last year's season finale, which had aroun 9.6 million total viewers and a 3.3% 18-49 ratings share if I'm not mistaken. It's very common for shows to gradually sink in ratings year-to-year. The longevity and stability of OUAT's ratings are making it a bonafide hit though, especially for a fantasy show. Now if only it could get some award exposure from the Emmys & GG's, this show will run safely for the next 3-4 seasons, if not for that, syndication purposes will push it to S5 minimum. Personally, I'd love to see the show through the whole decade, there are so many stories to tell and characters to explore.
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Rumour has it Season 3 will be split in 2 12 episode batches over the next season, which would make a total of 24 episodes for S3 + don't forget the Wonderland spin-off, which is assured a 13-episode order/22 episodes if it should succeed in the Thursday timeslot = 37/46 episodes of OUAT next season.
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I actually really liked the season finale....But if they kill off Gold/Rumple....I just may have to kill someone.
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Once Upon a Time Season 3 Spoilers: Bandit Snow Returns, Regina's Happy Ending, and More!
At the end of Once Upon a Time Season 2, the Charmings, Regina, and Rumple — what the show’s co-creator Eddy Kitsis calls “the core dysfunctional family” — sailed off to Neverland with Captain Hook to save Henry from Greg and Tamara. Meanwhile, back in the barren Enchanted Forest, Mulan, Aurora, and Prince Phillip stumbled upon Neal, who despite suffering a gunshot wound to the chest, was very much alive.
With the Charmings et al on a mission to save Henry, Neal stuck in the Enchanted Forest, and Belle in charge of Storybrooke, Season 3 is already raising the stakes. In a Once Upon a Time panel at the 2013 ATX Television Festival in Austin, co-creators Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz dished on what Oncers can expect in Season 3. Plus, they gave Wetpaint Entertainment and other OUAT fans the inside scoop on how the hit ABC series came to be.
Season 3 picks up right where we left off.
Adam revealed the third season "won't skip ahead 10 years.” Oncers, you can expect Season 3 to start right where we left off, with the Jolly Roger sailing to Neverland to save Henry. However, Eddy said the “core dysfunctional family” won’t be separated forever.
Meanwhile, back in Storybrooke...
Don’t worry Oncers, the folks left in Storybrooke, including Belle, will not be forgotten. In fact, Adam said the show will delve deeper into each of the characters back in Storybrooke and will examine how they’ll react to situations. Sounds interesting! The characters in Storybrooke have always been so dependent on the Charmings, so it will be interesting to see how the Storybrooke residents reacts to not having their fearless leaders to look up to. Perhaps this means someone new will step up to become the town’s protector?
Season 3 will have two distinct acts.
Eddy and Adam also revealed how Season 3 is going to be thematically different from the two previous seasons in that there will be two separate, 11-episode acts — one in the fall and one in the spring. Therefore, they’re approaching Season 3 like two seasons, both containing a beginning, middle, end, and journey for these characters.
However, in order to make this happen, that means OUAT will most likely go off the air for 11 weeks after the fall season. Eddy and Adam gave a bit more intel about the hiatus. It looks like the first part of Season 3 will air September through December, and then it will come back in the spring for act two — 11 straight episodes. We have to admit we were wary of this in the beginning, but the thought of airing both parts of the season uninterrupted by breaks has us excited for what’s to come!
Will Rumple still be out for Henry?
When the seer told Rumple that he needed to destroy Henry, we were immeditately worried for Henry’s safety! However, Eddy said, “He went [to Neverland] with a very focused attitude of saving Henry.”
“At first he just wants to do the easy thing and the dark thing, and then once again he realizes he did the wrong thing and lost his son,” Adam added. When he was told Neal died in the Season 2 finale, he realized “it was time to do the right thing.” According to Eddy and Adam, he knows he has to go and honor his son by getting his grandson back.
However, that also meant he had to leave his True Love Belle behind. “It’s going to be another challenge to [Rumbelle’s] relationship now that they’re separated,” said Eddy. “He left her behind to protect her.”
Snow White, the hero of Season 3?
Eddy and Adam dished that Snow’s journey in Season 3 is taking the hard path. With Henry gone, in this mission, she has to be the “bandit Snow — it’s time for her to rise to the hero that she was.” We don’t know about you, Oncers, but the thought of Snow returning to her bandit ways is one of the more exciting aspects of Season 3. We love Snow, but ever we have to admit, she was getting a little too whiny in Season 2. But now that we know she’s returning to her badassery, we can’t wait to see her be the heroine she once was.
Regina’s happy ending?
According to Eddy, the Evil Queen is trying to find her “own happy ending,” but she hasn’t found it yet. Unfortunately, we all know what happened to Daniel, and poor Sheriff Graham got his heart crushed — literally! — by The Evil Queen herself. “In a lot of ways, all of the characters are looking for love,” he said. So where’s Regina’s True Love?
“Regina is definitely a character who has found love and lost it,” Adam said, before Eddy added, “I would love to see Regina dating. See someone give her a mixtape — she’s earned it. She might have to rip his heart out to get it.”
Emma dives deeper into magic!
“Emma realized she had magic and kind of was in denial of it, then at the end, she’s not really in control of it, nor has she had time in Season 2 to contemplate that,” Eddy dished. However, “Season 3 is definitely going to have her ask the questions: what are my abilities? What does it really mean to be the savior?” The co-creators also revealed that Season 3 will dive deeper into Emma’s past.
With Emma learning about her magical abilities, will Regina step in and help train her former foe? “Her parents may have an opinion about being trained by her, but circumstances may call for it!” Adam said.
He added that we’ve seen instances where Regina and Emma work together (um, like saving Storybrooke from imploding in the finale?) and seen their “connection” at times. So this could lead to more interaction between OUAT’s favorite frenemies.
Did you know... ?
— “In first draft of pilot, Charming died!” said Adam. Both Adam and Eddy expressed interest in exploring Charming’s backstory.
— Are all magic beans gone now? “YES,” both Adam and Eddy said.
— The showrunners got a note from ABC calling for “more guyliner” for Captain Hook. “Like he’s going to a Depeche Mode concert.”
— Adam said originally Regina had three children.
— Did Adam and Eddy write the characters with certain actors in in mind? “Bobby Carlyle was someone that when we imagined Rumplestiltskin, he was the one,” said Adam. Eddy added that it was the same with Ginnifer Goodwin. Josh Dallas, however, came in and “blew us away.” He was so good that they expanded the character, since Charming was meant to have a small role in pilot.
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Once Upon a Time Bosses Dish on Peter Pan and Season 3's Epic Adventure: "We're the Dysfunctional Avengers!"
"We're the dysfunctional Avengers!"
Once Upon a Time closed out its stellar second season with its heroes and villains, including Emma (Jennifer Morrison), Regina (Lana Parrilla), Rumpelstiltskin (Robert Carlyle) and Captain Hook (Colin O'Donohue), boarding a ship to Neverland on a mission to save Henry (Jared Gilmore). Also on the ship? Passenger Tension, lots of!
We chatted with exeuctive producers Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis at the ATX Television Festival in Austin, Tex. this past weekend, where they teased the group's complicated dynamics, jokingly referring to them as the "dysfunctional Avengers," the casting search for new big bad Peter Pan, Emma's feelings for one of her suitors heating up and more...
"The show is a messed-up family show at its core," Horowitz explains of the decision to end season two with all of its characters forced to work together, "and that's what's great about it for us: how are these characters connected and how can they be related and semi-related."
Through the group's adventure to Neverland, Kitsis tells us its "exciting" for the writers to tackle questions such as, "How are they all going to influence each other? Emma has magic and some people on that boat wield magic, but they're not good influences. How are they going to work together? How are they going to get along?"
Horowitz and Kitsis are hoping to use the journey to the new world as a way to peel back more layers to its central characters. "it's about taking new lands, like Neverland, and using it as a way to open up our characters and dive deeper; taking the villains and heroes and throwing them together and forcing them to a common goal as a method for us to dig deeper and find out more about what makes them tick."
Aside from family feuds and seasickness, there will also be time for a bit of romance, like some development in the love triangle between Emma, Hook and Bae (Michael Raymond-James, who has been upped to series regular for season three). "It's fun for us to have Emma on that ship with someone as handsome as Hook thinking the person she truly loves is dead, while he's trying to get back to her," Kitsis teases.
The group will have to face a major threat in their journey to save Henry: Peter Pan. Of the search for season three's big bad, Kitsis says, "We have begun the process, but we have begun it secretly! We're sneaky this way!" And while some fans have guessed that the Wraith that appeared in the season two premiere may have been Pan, Horowitz was quick to debunk that theory saying, "We have not seen Peter Pan yet."
One person who has seen Peter Pan? Rumpelstiltskin, who revealed he has a past with the mysterious character. "When someone as scary and menacing as Rumpel is telling you that someone is to be feared, you better listen," Horowitz teases, adding that the backstory between the two characters will be a "slow reveal, but one that will come within those first 11 episodes."
Season two saw the introduction of a lot of new characers, including Mulan, Princess Aurora, Tamara and Greg, to name but a few, but Kitsis and Horowitz are shifting the focus back to the core characters in season three, with Kitsis saying, "It's really about this journey and it's really about these characters and we really want to dive back into our core characters. There's things left to be explored."
Like Emma last year found out she had magic. She's not had a moment to contemplate why. So for us, another question for Emma is:She saved everyone else' happy endings, but what about her own? We really want to dive into these characters," he continues, adding that fans will learn more about Prince Charming's (Josh Dallas) past. "I want to know more about Prince Charming. He was really good with a sword, but he was a shepherd. Well, there's a chance he probably left home before he came back."
Once Upon a Time returns to ABC this fall Sundays at 8 p.m.
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Official Cover Art for The Complete Second Season DVD box set:
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Once Upon a Time Scoop: Can the Charmings and Their Foes Work Together to Save Henry?
Heroes and villains will align in the third season of Once Upon a Time.
In the closing moments of the Season 2 finale, Prince Charming (Josh Dallas), Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin), Emma (Jennifer Morrison), Rumplestiltskin (Robert Carlyle), Regina (Lana Parrilla) and Captain Hook (Colin O'Donoghue) set sail for Neverland to chase after Greg (Ethan Embry) and Tamara (Sonequa Martin-Green), who had kidnapped Henry (Jared Gilmore). Foes-turned-friends will have to team up to track down the one they love — which should be interesting since they've spent decades trying to destroy each other.
"What's exciting to us is what happens when you take characters who have been at each other's throats from the beginning and give them a common goal and throw them together on a little pirate ship," executive producer Adam Horowitz tells TVGuide.com.
This journey to rescue Henry will force each member of the ragtag group to channel what executive producer Edward Kitsis calls their "core character." "Snow needs to be Bandit Snow, the Snow we saw who wielded the sword in the beginning," he says. "Emma is going to need to be the savior. Rumplestiltskin is going to have to be the dark one. Prince Charming needs to be Prince Charming right now."
What that means for Regina — the former Evil Queen who succeeded in her attempt to get redemption when she planned to sacrifice herself to save Storybrooke in last season's finale — and her quest to be good remains to be seen. Just because Kitsis didn't mention her, doesn't mean she won't need to channel her dastardly evil side on their mission to retrieve Henry. "One of my favorite things is when Regina says, 'Everyone thinks I'm the Evil Queen. Let me die as Regina,'" Kitsis says of the season finale. "This is before they took her son, so right now, on that ship, she'll do whatever it takes to get her son back. If that means Regina is required, she'll be Regina, but if that means the Evil Queen is required, watch out."
"I don't think Regina thinks of it in terms of good and evil the way the other characters look at her and paint her with those strokes," Horowitz adds. "Regina thinks about it in terms of what she wants, what her pain is, what she needs and how she's going to get it. How everyone else interprets it is on them."
While Regina continues her struggle with what magic does to her — the producers love to liken it to how alcohol affects an addict — Emma will be exploring her new expertise. As evidenced in the finale, Emma has more power than she could imagine after helping Regina stop the trigger from destroying Storybrooke. But her knack for magic is something she hasn't had time to explore since she first used it back in Season 2. "In Season 3, you're going to see Emma questioning why she has magic, what does it mean to be the savior and what about her happy ending? Or is her job just to make sure everyone else has one?" Kitsis says.
Although the producers previously dealt with only "Neverland-adjacent" stories, Once will actually venture to Neverland in Season 3, following Captain Hook's ship, the Jolly Roger, being swallowed by the portal. "It's a world we've glimpsed and now it's a world we'll explore," Horowitz teases.
Waiting there is Peter Pan, who has been searching for Henry for centuries — certainly longer than Emma's son has even been alive, which makes it all the more curious how Pan's Lost Boys already had a perfect drawing of Henry handy. Don't worry, the why behind Pan's fascination will be explained post-haste. "That is a huge part of what Season 3 is meant to be about," Horowitz says. "That's something that we don't intend to hold on to for the entire season. We want to reveal it and make it a big part of what the show's about." For the record, Horowitz notes that Greg and Tamara were "unwittingly working for Peter Pan," so we're looking forward to the magic haters discovering who their real boss is.
With Once introducing Neverland, stranding the still-living Neal (Michael Raymond-James) in fairy tale land and leaving a group of characters back in Storybrooke, the third season could quickly get convoluted. But the producers say the division of the upcoming season — the first 11 episodes will air uninterrupted in the fall, with a break until spring — will help alleviate that problem. "The first 11 episodes are its own season, so we get to be a little more focused and a little more in depth and we're probably less hopping around," Kitsis says. He adds that they're not hesitant about continuing to show multiple worlds next season. "Even in beginning, it said the curse will cross all lands. It's about doing it in a way that doesn't overwhelm our core characters and it doesn't overwhelm the viewer in a way where they have to follow a flow chart. We're not going to make the show so complex that there are five different timelines."
"Even if we are in different worlds, hopefully the story and the characters will carry you through," adds Horowitz: "It's about the characters, not the world. So if you're with the characters, where they are is secondary to what they're going through."
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The Season 3 Premiere is tentatively called "The Heart of the Truest Believer"
Sounds like Peter Pan is coming for Henry's heart or am I reading the signs wrong?
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Excited! Now we wait for wonderland!
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