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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Marvin
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My issue with this is that most people's concerns aren't that some amount of redistribution of wealth, health care reform, and education reform just wouldn't work - it's more that it wouldn't pass, wouldn't be done in the ways that necessarily benefit people the most, have ethical questions once they hit a certain point, etc.
I think we all agree in this thread, among the Democrats and more liberal independents anyway, that a drop or two of socialism helps out. That you can't have a purely capitalist system without disenfranchisement of certain people and that systemic discrimination exacerbates that.
It's more a question of, you know, how much is too much? Where does the line lie that, once crossed, signals a detriment to the economy and people rather than a benefit? What extent is actually going to pass through legislation, and what proportion of the country actually wants these things on either side of the political spectrum?
I appreciate Sanders' yearning to build on the legacy of the man I view as the greatest President in US history, but I worry that the context then and the context now are too far different to compare Bernie's plan to the New Deal at any great length. The basic premises seem to be much the same - they're fundamentally both oriented toward improving quality of life and economic situation for individuals and the country - but the contexts and specific policies are perhaps not quite as comparable.
Not that any of this is a reason I support Hillary, of course - this is coming more from an analysis of Bernie's plans from the outside, rather than from the point of view of "oh this isn't true therefore Hillary's better" (mostly because that wouldn't make sense).
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Any bets on Hillary going on Wendy Williams?
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Wendy will probably ask her things like:
Have you spoken to Monica? How's Monica? 
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
No yeah I totally get what you mean but I just don't think it should be used as a point against a candidate or their campaign if it isn't in the campaign's agenda. It's kind of a given to have found racist Hillary supporters in 2008 because she was running against Obama, it's kind of a given you'd find anti-black xenophobes supporting Trump, who called for a ban on Muslims and Mexicans, but in both cases, it isn't and should not be a point against the respective campaigns.
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I think the only difference here lies in that Trump's message and rhetoric intentionally draw these kinds of people and by extension draw more of them, whereas Hillary is not a racist and Bernie is not a sexist.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Yeah! Even Hillz was labeled as a socialist when she was FLOTUS calling for healthcare. Right-wingers keep doing the most against social programs, it's quite amusing.
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They're so irritating. Like, we have EVIDENCE that these programs can HELP the economy when done properly, and without encroaching too far - or in ways that are egregious - on capitalism.
Like, a good point to go with Bernie's tweet would be that since FDR, we've seen tons of successful social programs and... none that have led to economic collapse?
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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I was talking to my Bernie supporter friends and all of them went phone banking for SC, even though they're all super socially awkward, I was surprised bc I don't think I could ever do anything like that. It's so cool that they're putting themselves out there for what they believe in 
I talked to them about my doubts about Bernie's policies/ideology and I think most of them were answered (although I'm still skeptical about the likelihood of everyone going out and getting a democratic House back.
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Originally posted by Reza
I agree 100%. Bernie Bros seem VERY angry at not only Hillary but also at her supporters.  |
dude, 60% of your posts in this thread are just you bitching about "Bernie Bros", whatever those are.
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Originally posted by Butters
I talked to them about my doubts about Bernie's policies/ideology and I think most of them were answered (although I'm still skeptical about the likelihood of everyone going out and getting a democratic House back.
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It's not going to happen. I don't care who wins, whether it's Hill or Bern, and I don't care about youth turnout - the gerrymandered districts and, to an extent, campaign finance are so grossly detrimental to Democrats that there's almost no way it can happen.
I'd love it to happen and want it so much, and that's beside my political alignment between the two potential Democratic nominees, but I just don't think it's even possible unless something VERY substantial changes about the electorate and about the general perceptions of each party.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Wendy will probably ask her things like:
Have you spoken to Monica? How's Monica? |
 Wendy will turn up dead in a ditch somewhere
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BernieBros on Twitter so pressed about the Harry Reid endorsement  I'm sure they'd change their tune about him if he'd endorsed Bernie but whatever.
Trump slaughtering in Nevada  that ceiling keeps getting higher
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@nxthompson:
Total Nevada votes:
Hillary: 42,400
Bernie: 37,600
Trump: 34,500
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Not included, but worth mentioning
Rubio: 17,900
Cruz: 16,000
Carson: 3,600
Kasich: 2,700
Others: 330+
Interesting!
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330+ stupid people voting for candidates not even in the race
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
The same thing can be said about Bernie. I've heard several people on this thread (some who wrote it on others' walls in fear) that they'd swing for Trump if Hillary loses to Bernie, it's just as messed up. But I don't agree with the "they can **** right off" approach.
And I wouldn't be too sure about either Hillary or Bernie beating Rubio, I think it could go either way in that kind of race.
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Oh I also just saw this. Not sure if you were referring to me only (I definitely did write on someone's wall) but I've nothing to fear. I'll say it here too. I would, at this moment in time, definitely vote for Trump over Sanders if both are the nominees. And it has nothing to do with being a sour apple over HRC losing
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Originally posted by Mickey
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omg but why? Kasich is a fake moderate who probably wouldn't accept anyway lol
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 I was just researching on Bill Clinton's accomplishments, wow... What an amazing president!
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Originally posted by RatedG²
omg but why? Kasich is a fake moderate who probably wouldn't accept anyway lol
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He predicts it will happen because Kasich is so against Trump he will switch sides lol
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
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Originally posted by RatedG²
330+ stupid people voting for candidates not even in the race
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Remember, on the GOP side, if you paid the fee to be on the ballot, you remain on there even if you dropped out since then. Jeb, Carly, Graham, Christie, etc were on the ballot and received votes still.
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Originally posted by Mickey
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Sally is a female. Surprised she wrote this article for two reasons, 1) she's a Bernie supporter and 2) That ticket wouldn't make any sense. Kasich is fundamentally against most things that Hillary supports (Planned Parenthood, Gun Control, LGBT, etc.)
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Not included, but worth mentioning
Rubio: 17,900
Cruz: 16,000
Carson: 3,600
Kasich: 2,700
Others: 330+
Interesting!
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Hmmm, for some reason I thought turnout was higher for GOP. I guess not.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Hmmm, for some reason I thought turnout was higher for GOP. I guess not.
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GOP had a record turnout, which is still something for them to be happy about. This, Democratic turnout is down from 2008 talk the pundits have been doing is amusing to me. They forget, 2008 primary and election was a once in a generation type of event that set unprecedented record turnouts (first legitimate black candidate vs. first legitimate female candidate). Of course this time around, it will be down, but they're producing quality turnouts that continue to be dismissed it seems.
Can't wait to see more primary turnout numbers vs. primary turnout numbers for each party in swing states. That's where the real tea will lie.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Sally is a female. Surprised she wrote this article for two reasons, 1) she's a Bernie supporter and 2) That ticket wouldn't make any sense. Kasich is fundamentally against most things that Hillary supports (Planned Parenthood, Gun Control, LGBT, etc.)
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Wow I saw the picture of Kasich at the top and assumed that was the author -_-
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Not included, but worth mentioning
Rubio: 17,900
Cruz: 16,000
Carson: 3,600
Kasich: 2,700
Others: 330+
Interesting!
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Is this reliable? If so then that's great!
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