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Beyonce the past is calling and it's Lady Gaga
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The article was too harsh towards Gaga, she was singing the National anthem not performing her music but it does have some constructive tea in there. Beyonce did own the super-bowl and as a little monster ill admit, she really takes her craft and (business image seriously),something i want my fave to have in future. Gaga is a pop star at the end of day and her main craft is music. So she does have a lot to prove in terms of her business and whether she will reclaim that special quality she had before but she shouldn't be bashed for collecting awards left and right,at-least she's working super hard to clean her image( through venturing out in acting,showcasing her skills) and she's not giving up or indulging in some messy behaviours.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Thank YOU!
She's not saying "blacks, get up and fight back by spitting on whites", she's saying "be black, be proud and work hard to get what you deserve. Don't let anyone belittle you because u are black." After all, the last line of the song goes "Best revenge is ur paper" meaning "best revenge is when ur successful".
This is EMPOWEREMENT at its best, yet so many refuse to see the message because it's way easier to drag than to acknowledge.
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What I think is so amazing about this song is that it is so empowering in almost all the lyrics, but she does it in such a "Beyoncé" way that it's still a bop, and she manages to hide some of them in the Beyoncé-bravado that we have come to know and love. This is not just a study in empowerment, but in doing it with self-awareness and self-specificitiy with a universal appeal. If we look to the other empowerment anthems of our time, they often are sung in first person, but lack any depth or relation the singer themselves. No one else could really sing this song but Beyoncé herself.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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This article is absolute caca.
The National Anthem served its purpose and did great for Gaga's image. The Halftime Show on the other hand was just a try-hard and stale extravaganza that was totally unnecessary. They have nothing to do with each other, or even something to say anything about the status of each of the performers. If anything, it speaks volumes on how certain artists overcompensate for their artistic limitedness by churning out the same hyper performance style.
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Originally posted by swissman
What I think is so amazing about this song is that it is so empowering in almost all the lyrics, but she does it in such a "Beyoncé" way that it's still a bop, and she manages to hide some of them in the Beyoncé-bravado that we have come to know and love. This is not just a study in empowerment, but in doing it with self-awareness and self-specificitiy with a universal appeal. If we look to the other empowerment anthems of our time, they often are sung in first person, but lack any depth or relation the singer themselves. No one else could really sing this song but Beyoncé herself.
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I wonder, didn't MJ also receive backlash for "They don't care about us" and these lyrics?
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Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I'm a victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate,
Your rapin' me of my pride
Oh for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free
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Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible 'cause you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now.
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwin' me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I really do hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But it Roosevelt was livin', he wouldn't let this be, no no.
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Some things in life they just don't wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin'
He wouldn't let this be
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I guess he did right? They didnt even want to play the prison MV because they felt it's too heavy. Im very proud of Bey that she became this brave. Kudos to her.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by tittieslap
This article is absolute caca.
The National Anthem served its purpose and did great for Gaga's image. The Halftime Show on the other hand was just a try-hard and stale extravaganza that was totally unnecessary. They have nothing to do with each other, or even something to say anything about the status of each of the performers. If anything, it speaks volumes on how certain artists overcompensate for their artistic limitedness by churning out the same hyper performance style.
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Don't don't be too bitter.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by swissman
Don't don't be too bitter.
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Yes, I'm talking about all three of the halftime performers. :too funny:. And it's just an opinion. They could have done something completely different but it was just a re-hash of each of their pretty recent SB performances. Not everyone has to go kiss Bey's ass, or anyone else's for that matter. She had a good message to promote and she's talented, but let's not pretend we haven't seen her perform in the same way she has her entire career (the same goes for Bruno and Coldplay to a certain extent).
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Originally posted by swissman
What I think is so amazing about this song is that it is so empowering in almost all the lyrics, but she does it in such a "Beyoncé" way that it's still a bop, and she manages to hide some of them in the Beyoncé-bravado that we have come to know and love. This is not just a study in empowerment, but in doing it with self-awareness and self-specificitiy with a universal appeal. If we look to the other empowerment anthems of our time, they often are sung in first person, but lack any depth or relation the singer themselves. No one else could really sing this song but Beyoncé herself.
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I hear what you saying I personally think people are more annoyed about how this was written. It seemed more like a stan piece picked up by the Examiner. Shading ANTI, how people orbit around Bey (?) Gaga being an opening act to the half time show (did you consider Bey an opening act when she did it? Ofc you didn't). I can't say anything about or against Formation it's just that this article presented as journalism feels just as credible as if it was posted on Buzzfeed.
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Originally posted by tittieslap
Yes, I'm talking about all three of the halftime performers. :too funny:. And it's just an opinion. They could have done something completely different but it was just a re-hash of each of their pretty recent SB performances. Not everyone has to go kiss Bey's ass, or anyone else's for that matter. She had a good message to promote and she's talented, but let's not pretend we haven't seen her perform in the same way she has her entire career (the same goes for Bruno and Coldplay to a certain extent).
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Well, I cant recall the last time she purposely performed in such a political manner. You probably think the outfits were just cute or the choreo was just the same as always, when in FACT, everything had meaning to it.
Let's be real here, you just see an opportunity to drag Bey. It's ok, she can't please everyone. But out of all fanbases, the monsters rly should be the LEAST fanbase to drag when Gagz herself has proven to only have one shtick, which is playing Barbie and dressing up in crazy ways.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Thank YOU!
She's not saying "blacks, get up and fight back by spitting on whites", she's saying "be black, be proud and work hard to get what you deserve. Don't let anyone belittle you because u are black." After all, the last line of the song goes "Best revenge is ur paper" meaning "best revenge is when ur successful".
This is EMPOWEREMENT at its best, yet so many refuse to see the message because it's way easier to drag than to acknowledge.
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Exactly this is what that article is doing, saying that Gaga was opening act and shading other performers like that.
Praise Beyonce for what she did, not by bringing Coldplay and Gaga down
The fact that Hive is agreeing with that article and also talking about empowerment at the time, when it is bringing down another powerful black woman(Rihanna) ![deadbanana](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana2_zpsd45da7d4.gif)
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by zoldyck
Exactly this is what that article is doing, saying that Gaga was opening act and shading other performers like that.
Praise Beyonce for what she did, not by bringing Coldplay and Gaga down
The fact that Hive is agreeing with that article and also talking about empowerment at the time, when it is bringing down another powerful black woman(Rihanna) ![deadbanana](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana2_zpsd45da7d4.gif)
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I’ve personally stated I don’t agree with the article. Maybe you are confusing us defending Beyoncé against the Gaga stans defending Gaga with co-signing everything this guy said.
But the last line you said kind of seems like you think that a feminist can't be a feminist if she puts down another woman. That's not the case, nor is it how feminism works. Shading Rihanna or Gaga does not mean that we are against gender or racial equality. I do not condone doing either, but you're stretching the meaning of it a bit with that.
I totally agree that there is never a reason to bring down someone else just so you or anyone else can look better. Focus on the topic, ya know?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Well, I cant recall the last time she purposely performed in such a political manner. You probably think the outfits were just cute or the choreo was just the same as always, when in FACT, everything had meaning to it.
Let's be real here, you just see an opportunity to drag Bey. It's ok, she can't please everyone. But out of all fanbases, the monsters rly should be the LEAST fanbase to drag when Gagz herself has proven to only have one shtick, which is playing Barbie and dressing up in crazy ways.
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Her song choice was really the only thing that was far removed from her usual performances. And looking closely at the song itself, it's also an extension of the trap music she did on self-titled. But that's not as big of a deal as putting up a Halftime Show that I personally think was boring cause she pretty much just visually tributed her own show from three years prior. Same with Bruno. All I'm saying is that I was expecting something very different considering they performed not too long ago for the same event.
And you can go and delude yourself into thinking this is some kind of biased rival fan opinion, but that won't be true, sorry. If I think Beyoncé should change things up then that's just how I feel. I like her music and respect the talent she has, but no one is this perfect artist that deserves unanimous acclaim.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by swissman
I’ve personally stated I don’t agree with the article. Maybe you are confusing us defending Beyoncé against the Gaga stans defending Gaga with co-signing everything this guy said.
But the last line you said kind of seems like you think that a feminist can't be a feminist if she puts down another woman. That's not the case, nor is it how feminism works. Shading Rihanna or Gaga does not mean that we are against gender or racial equality. I do not condone doing either, but you're stretching the meaning of it a bit with that.
I totally agree that there is never a reason to bring down someone else just so you or anyone else can look better. Focus on the topic, ya know?
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i am not talking about you, if you go through thread most of Hive have posts like "no lie spotted"
I am not taking feminist or racial equality into concern, This article is just praising a single person by bringing down 3 people Gaga, Coldplay and Rihanna(regardless of their race or gender) which is totally immature and totally against Bey message. I have actually problem with people who are agreeing this article and depending the author.
but it was mistake to generalize those people as Hive.
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Member Since: 3/3/2012
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Ok?
The fact that people compare Gaga's 8 year career with someone who has more time in the industry says something about her and how she got this hussy pressed like a panini.
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Member Since: 8/29/2012
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Omg the shade. "Opening Act" ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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I don't understand the point of this article.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by tittieslap
Her song choice was really the only thing that was far removed from her usual performances. And looking closely at the song itself, it's also an extension of the trap music she did on self-titled. But that's not as big of a deal as putting up a Halftime Show that I personally think was boring cause she pretty much just visually tributed her own show from three years prior. Same with Bruno. All I'm saying is that I was expecting something very different considering they performed not too long ago for the same event.
And you can go and delude yourself into thinking this is some kind of biased rival fan opinion, but that won't be true, sorry. If I think Beyoncé should change things up then that's just how I feel. I like her music and respect the talent she has, but no one is this perfect artist that deserves unanimous acclaim.
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In what ways did this show look anything like her own? In setup, staging, and format? She wore black? Is that it? She showed her legs? What it is? She had backup dancers?
Beyoncé, like so many MANY artists before her, does not rely on constant reinvention to remain interesting. She has a style and sticks to it. When was the last time someone complained “Oh… ANOTHER Aretha performance standing there with a fur shrug? TIRED!” No. Beyoncé slayed. She didn’t need to ride in on a donkey or have props or costume changes or debut her newly learnt polka-square dance routine.
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Originally posted by tittieslap
Her song choice was really the only thing that was far removed from her usual performances. And looking closely at the song itself, it's also an extension of the trap music she did on self-titled. But that's not as big of a deal as putting up a Halftime Show that I personally think was boring cause she pretty much just visually tributed her own show from three years prior. Same with Bruno. All I'm saying is that I was expecting something very different considering they performed not too long ago for the same event.
And you can go and delude yourself into thinking this is some kind of biased rival fan opinion, but that won't be true, sorry. If I think Beyoncé should change things up then that's just how I feel. I like her music and respect the talent she has, but no one is this perfect artist that deserves unanimous acclaim.
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absolutely, you have every right to have your own opinion. But you cannot say she's doing the same thing she always does when the change from Crazy in Love to Formation is IMMENSE. Yes, true, her changes have not been as radical and drastic like Gagz (even tho Gaga did this rather on a visual than musical level), but to say she always does the same is simply a lie. Like Swissman pointed out, she has her style, sticks to it, but shes never copying herself.
On topic tho, I of course disagree with the article, which was written very prematurely. Gaga did a very good job singing the NA. However, it's kind of true that Bey dominated this weekend and especially overshadowed Anti (no drag here).
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by 113th Post
If I was an American i'd be offended! Where's your pride Americans?
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Get out.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Artemisia
I don't understand the point of this article.
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Same.
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The massive back fire on the comments though
The Beyonce formula can only work for so long, as everything in the industry...
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