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Discussion: Do you think Beyonce is Really a Feminist?
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Originally posted by Crush2.0
Nevermind keep going. You are entertaining at the very least.
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I'm glad you find enjoyment out of trolling (?) & your lack of reading skills. Ignorance truly is bliss I guess
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Get Em CiCi
Beyoncé fans should not be allowed in this thread.
They are all going to say yes, and that makes all of their points invalid.
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Well good thing we have the hive here, coz , this thread would be nothing but ignorance and misinformation from the naysayers.
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Originally posted by Dawn
I'm glad you find enjoyment out of trolling (?) & your lack of reading skills. Ignorance truly is bliss I guess
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keep going. Love how I got the bee buzzing.
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Originally posted by Crush2.0
keep going. Love how I got the bee buzzing.
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I am not sure what your intentions are but you should just leave, seeing as tho you provide nothing to the thread whatsoever. Btw you can get warned for that.
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Member Since: 7/10/2010
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Yes she is a feminist in the true sense of the world, she stands for the political economical and social equality of the sexes. We must not mistake her confidence in her image/body with the idea of being objectified. A true woman in my view, and i believe through TITANs portrayal is one who has equal chance and privilege as men but are not afraid to be sexy and know that they have natural nature to want a man and also be able to show the softness of a woman.
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Originally posted by Dawn
I am not sure what your intentions are but you should just leave, seeing as tho you provide nothing to the thread whatsoever. Btw you can get warned for that.
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Someone needs a life outside ATRL.
Its a discussion, do you know what that means?
Im providing my opinion. Its not my fault you make it so easy to get dragged. Take a breather im starting to get worried over you child.
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Originally posted by Crush2.0
Someone needs a life outside ATRL.
Its a discussion, do you know what that means?
Im providing my opinion. Its not my fault you make it so easy to get dragged. Take a breather im starting to get worried over you child.
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Your opinion isn't relevant to the topic and neither is the post I'm quoting now. And I never got dragged tho? You're the one who's been dragged effortlessly for the past several pages but in denial.
Sidenote: you need to work on your personal insults. They aren't very good.
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How many times will this same subject come up. It will never resolve itself, Beyonce is a positive roll model of a mature women. She never talks about other women (or men) in a negative manner. She will help and support other women. The mistake made a lot is equating sexuallity the feminism. it's a small part. there are other parts to feminism.
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Originally posted by Dawn
Your opinion isn't relevant to the topic and neither is the post I'm quoting now. And I never got dragged tho? You're the one who's been dragged effortlessly for the past several pages but in denial.
Sidenote: you need to work on your personal insults. They aren't very good.
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Im sorry you took it as a personal insult, I actually wasn't trying to, I just find it funny how bothered you got.
It's quite scary tbh.
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Originally posted by Crush2.0
Im sorry you took it as a personal insult, I actually wasn't trying to, I just find it funny how bothered you got.
It's quite scary tbh.
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Again, you're not good at being condescending so just stop trying.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Drais.
Right
If she were a man you would never hear that phrase.
And she clearly stated in the self titled documentary she wanted to show her body to show women that after becoming a parent you don't have to start acting or behaving a certain way. You can still be confident, sexy etc and not have to conform to some BS. People are so quick to say a woman "objectifies herself" because society has taught us that a woman's body is a sexual object. She's pretty much been rebelling and I applaud her for it.
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Not you trying to claim what Beyoncé is and isn't. These posts are giving me white feminist teas + angry men who don't have a clue what feminism is about. I'm pretty sure she believes men and women are equal.
Pretending to be a feminist for promo makes no sense. Feminists gets dragged all over the Internet continually - it isn't always a 'cool' thing to be.
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if she says so, then yes i guess
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I'm a fan of her music, but I don't believe that her feminism is genuine. Her early music speaks for itself.
'Foolish of me to compete when you cheat with loose women' - Me, Myself and I.
And, I don't think I've ever seen/heard more woman bashing lyrics by a female artist than this:
'Nasty put some clothes on, I told ya
Don't walk out your house without your clothes on, I told ya
Girl what you thinkin' bout lookin' that to' down, I told ya
These men don't want no hot female that's
Been around the block female, you nasty girl (implies that man's opinion on a woman appearance is more important and that you as a woman should aim to please a man even if you have to change yourself to do so.)
Shakin' that thang on that man
Lookin' all stank and nasty
Swore you look cute girl in them dukes
Booty all out lookin' trashy
Sleazy put some clothes on, I told ya
Don't walk out ya heezy without clothes on, I told ya
You nasty girl, you nasty you trashy
You classless girl, you sleazy you freaky
I never met a girl that does the things that you do
Change don't come your way it will come back to you
Put some clothes on girl
Hard for women like me
Who try to have some intergrity
You make it hard for girls like myself
Who respect themselves and have dignity
You nasty girl, you nasty, you trashy
You classless girl, you sleazy, you freaky
N A S T Y ya nasty, F R E A K Y ya freaky
Girl where's your P R I D E, put some clothes on' - 'Nasty Girl' by Destiny's Child
Before hive come at me to say that she was young and her early material was controlled by her father, no. Beyonce as a true songwriter wrote 'Nasty Girl' by herself, she listed as a main writer on the credits.
So yeah, her 'feminism' looks like a gimmick to me.
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Originally posted by Dawn
It doesn't matter what we think. The term feminism is fluid and is different for everyone. If Beyonce identifies as a feminist, then she is a feminist.
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basically.
but let's watch a bunch of gay men saying how a woman should or shouldn't identify herself.
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Originally posted by Gavroche
I'm a fan of her music, but I don't believe that her feminism is genuine. Her early music speaks for itself.
'Foolish of me to compete when you cheat with loose women' - Me, Myself and I.
And, I don't think I've ever seen/heard more woman bashing lyrics by a female artist than this:
'Nasty put some clothes on, I told ya
Don't walk out your house without your clothes on, I told ya
Girl what you thinkin' bout lookin' that to' down, I told ya
These men don't want no hot female that's
Been around the block female, you nasty girl (implies that man's opinion on a woman appearance is more important and that you as a woman should aim to please a man even if you have to change yourself to do so.)
Shakin' that thang on that man
Lookin' all stank and nasty
Swore you look cute girl in them dukes
Booty all out lookin' trashy
Sleazy put some clothes on, I told ya
Don't walk out ya heezy without clothes on, I told ya
You nasty girl, you nasty you trashy
You classless girl, you sleazy you freaky
I never met a girl that does the things that you do
Change don't come your way it will come back to you
Put some clothes on girl
Hard for women like me
Who try to have some intergrity
You make it hard for girls like myself
Who respect themselves and have dignity
You nasty girl, you nasty, you trashy
You classless girl, you sleazy, you freaky
N A S T Y ya nasty, F R E A K Y ya freaky
Girl where's your P R I D E, put some clothes on' - 'Nasty Girl' by Destiny's Child
Before hive come at me to say that she was young and her early material was controlled by her father, no. Beyonce as a true songwriter wrote 'Nasty Girl' by herself, she listed as a main writer on the credits.
So yeah, her 'feminism' looks like a gimmick to me.
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Nasty Girl came out in 2001. It's been thirteen years. Is everyone supposed to be exactly the same as they were 13 years ago? Can't she have changed her mind or realized the stupidity of that song? Oh wait, this is Beyoncé. Common sense goes out the window.
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If you don't think Beyoncé is a feminist, please answer this.
Using facts, specifically current ones, please outline how Beyoncé has shown that she believes men should have more rights socially, economically and politically than women.
The Hive have explained it, outlined it, and exemplified her feminism, and we have yet to hear anything past petty nitpicking of her songs and actions in regards to the quality of feminist she is. That is not the question though. Much like you would still be considered a teacher even if you did make mistakes that the perfect example of a teacher would not, a feminist can also make mistakes and still fundamentally believe in gender equality.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gavroche
I'm a fan of her music, but I don't believe that her feminism is genuine. Her early music speaks for itself.
'Foolish of me to compete when you cheat with loose women' - Me, Myself and I.
And, I don't think I've ever seen/heard more woman bashing lyrics by a female artist than this:
'Nasty put some clothes on, I told ya
Don't walk out your house without your clothes on, I told ya
Girl what you thinkin' bout lookin' that to' down, I told ya
These men don't want no hot female that's
Been around the block female, you nasty girl (implies that man's opinion on a woman appearance is more important and that you as a woman should aim to please a man even if you have to change yourself to do so.)
Shakin' that thang on that man
Lookin' all stank and nasty
Swore you look cute girl in them dukes
Booty all out lookin' trashy
Sleazy put some clothes on, I told ya
Don't walk out ya heezy without clothes on, I told ya
You nasty girl, you nasty you trashy
You classless girl, you sleazy you freaky
I never met a girl that does the things that you do
Change don't come your way it will come back to you
Put some clothes on girl
Hard for women like me
Who try to have some intergrity
You make it hard for girls like myself
Who respect themselves and have dignity
You nasty girl, you nasty, you trashy
You classless girl, you sleazy, you freaky
N A S T Y ya nasty, F R E A K Y ya freaky
Girl where's your P R I D E, put some clothes on' - 'Nasty Girl' by Destiny's Child
Before hive come at me to say that she was young and her early material was controlled by her father, no. Beyonce as a true songwriter wrote 'Nasty Girl' by herself, she listed as a main writer on the credits.
So yeah, her 'feminism' looks like a gimmick to me.
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Why do haters blatantly ignore her other DC lyrics?
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All the women who are independent
Throw your hands up at me
All the honeys who makin' money
Throw your hands up at me
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Thought I couldn’t breathe without you, I’m inhaling
You thought I couldn’t see without you, perfect vision
You thought I couldn’t last without you, but I’m lastin’
You thought that I would die without you, but I’m livin’
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Don’t cry, you’re beautiful
It’s not your fault, young girl
Don’t cry, you’re beautiful
You’re not the one to blame
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There’s plenty of people who don’t like me
But there’s ten times more who love me and I love myself
Sometimes it gets tough, it gets tough
But I can’t give up, can’t give
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Nasty Girl is a song Beyonce pays dust to, lmao,
It's cute how you bought up a song which was made 13 years ago though. Because society hasn't changed at all.
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