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Celeb News: Al Roker on Anaconda "DESPERATE & VILE"
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Just enjoy the music...
These social-cultural discussions are so useless. Listen to it and buy it if you like it, ignore it if you don't. Simple as that.
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It almost seems like Nicki Minaj has gotten desperate and feels like she needs to do something to get her crown back from these Iggy Azaleas and the Meghan Trainors... who she thinks are honing in on her turf
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The emboldened part is such a cackle 
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Originally posted by swissman
The point of their comment though is that they are non-factor as opposed to Nicki who is an A-list celebrity.
Do you really think Al Roker would not call a video by Justin Bieber shaking his butt in a thong, doing splits and stuff vile? Do you really believe that would fly over the radar of American society just because he's a man? We could compare how men and women are treated in regards to sexuality, but the sexism is usually that they use women to express it, as you've said, not that they are necessarily doing the same thing as women and not facing the same reactions.
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So LMFAO is a nonfactor, but I literally just linked 5 easy to find videos of little kids thrusting their pelvises to their song which was number one.
Your Bieber comparison makes no sense. Why would he be in a thong? How about Justin Bieber grinding like a male stripper shirtless, pretty sure he's already done that and with no backlash. With men, it's "sexy" and that's that. *****, ****, terrible influence? Words that men almost never see.
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Originally posted by swissman
So in your words:
1) There is a long history of male sexual objectification in pop music
2) Sexy and I Know It is more of a serious song/video than Anaconda
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1) Males have been singing about sex and showing off their bodies since the beginning of time. Everyone from Mozart to Justin Timberlake to Chris Brown.
2) SAIKI is JUST as campy and humorous as Anaconda.
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not even that but the fact that another over sexualized took the VEVO record from miley. At least WB was a good song and didnt sample a classic nor was it vulgar. 
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Originally posted by Doc
So LMFAO is a nonfactor, but I literally just linked 5 easy to find videos of little kids thrusting their pelvises to their song which was number one.
Your Bieber comparison makes no sense. Why would he be in a thong? How about Justin Bieber grinding like a male stripper shirtless, pretty sure he's already done that and with no backlash. With men, it's "sexy" and that's that. *****, ****, terrible influence? Words that men almost never see.
1) Males have been singing about sex and showing off their bodies since the beginning of time. Everyone from Mozart to Justin Timberlake to Chris Brown.
2) SAIKI is JUST as campy and humorous as Anaconda.
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LMFAO was a pop-fad. Sure, there are probably a lot of imitations. They are famous, but they are no where near Nicki's level of fame. People don't even know what their names are.
Why would Bieber be in a thong you ask? Well if you wanted him to be dressed like a male stripper, then he should be in less than just shirtless. You can see shirtless men walking down the street in the summer. You don't see women in thongs unless you're at a very open-minded beach. You're right though: men in pop just look sexy, they are not overtly-sexual which is where the true sexism comes in. But if you want to say that men and women are treated differently based on what they do specifically you have to put them on an even field. Thus do you not think that Justin Bieber would be called vile for flaunting his nearly naked butt for the camera in the way that Nicki has?
Also, yes males have sung about sex and showed off their bodies for a long time, as have women. But I'm talking about sexual objectification. That's very different. Men's bodies are generally not portrayed as objects in pop music, whereas it's very clear that women's are.
This is purely opinion-based but I find Anaconda to take itself a little more seriously than Sexy and I Know It. From the song lyrics to the video itself. In Anaconda you know she's trying to look good and she's getting her angles and working it. It's funny but she's taking it seriously. In Sexy and I Know It there is no attempt to be attractive, and in that way it's more humour based.
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wait.... "desperate"? Wasn't he in Sharknado 2? 
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Also, I am SCREAMING at him saying that she needs to keep up with artists like Iggy, when it's quite the opposite
Nicki has always been like this, whether they like it or not.
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The song is about ASS, what the **** did people expect?
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The song is about ASS, what the **** did people expect? |
Bootylicious was about ass and it wasn't this attention seeking.
If you are supposed to be a creative person and your song about ass's video's best idea is girls twerking then you're not thinking too hard.
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see, but where was Al when Iggy was giving some random man a lap dance in "Work"
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The comments on here I haven't even seen the video
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Did he say this before or after he jacked off to it? 
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Did he say this before or after he jacked off to it? |
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Originally posted by swissman
LMFAO was a pop-fad. Sure, there are probably a lot of imitations. They are famous, but they are no where near Nicki's level of fame. People don't even know what their names are.
Why would Bieber be in a thong you ask? Well if you wanted him to be dressed like a male stripper, then he should be in less than just shirtless. You can see shirtless men walking down the street in the summer. You don't see women in thongs unless you're at a very open-minded beach. You're right though: men in pop just look sexy, they are not overtly-sexual which is where the true sexism comes in. But if you want to say that men and women are treated differently based on what they do specifically you have to put them on an even field. Thus do you not think that Justin Bieber would be called vile for flaunting his nearly naked butt for the camera in the way that Nicki has?
Also, yes males have sung about sex and showed off their bodies for a long time, as have women. But I'm talking about sexual objectification. That's very different. Men's bodies are generally not portrayed as objects in pop music, whereas it's very clear that women's are.
This is purely opinion-based but I find Anaconda to take itself a little more seriously than Sexy and I Know It. From the song lyrics to the video itself. In Anaconda you know she's trying to look good and she's getting her angles and working it. It's funny but she's taking it seriously. In Sexy and I Know It there is no attempt to be attractive, and in that way it's more humour based.
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LMFAO was a pop fad, but what does that have to do with anything? If SAIKI was done by some random females and was just as popular, it would have gotten the same, if not more backlash than Nicki. Fact.
Bieber has been shirtless in many of his videos. As for male strippers, no one was upset at Channing Tatum making a movie about male strippers, and no one questioned the effect it would have on young boys. Thongs are common beachwear, I would post Google pics but I'm in public. Skimpy beachwear is not uncommon, and are very much accepted if it's worn by a skinny white woman—peep Sports Illustrated. Moreover, Nicki didn't show anything in the video that you wouldn't see on any public beach.
If you think Nicki is portraying herself as an object, then you're completely missing the point of the song. LMFAO has "Sexy & I Know It", Aerosmith has "My Big Ten Inch", Three 6 Mafia has "Slob on my Knob", and I can keep going—no one thinks of those songs as "male objectification." A woman can sing proudly about her sexuality without it being "objectification." "I got a big fat ass" is not objectifying, nor is Beyoncé's "He Monica Lewinsky'd all on my blouse."
In what world does Anaconda taking itself seriously when she rants, raves, and cackles in the outro? In what world is Anaconda not just a fun party song? How sad, that because Nicki is considered attractive, her videos can't be humorous. Nicki is literally doing nothing that LMFAO didn't do.
This sexism has got to stop. You people literally have zero right to judge the way she embraces her sexuality. It's disgusting, especially in 2014.
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Originally posted by Doc
LMFAO was a pop fad, but what does that have to do with anything? If SAIKI was done by some random females and was just as popular, it would have gotten the same, if not more backlash than Nicki. Fact.
Bieber has been shirtless in many of his videos. As for male strippers, no one was upset at Channing Tatum making a movie about male strippers, and no one questioned the effect it would have on young boys. Thongs are common beachwear, I would post Google pics but I'm in public. Skimpy beachwear is not uncommon, and are very much accepted if it's worn by a skinny white woman—peep Sports Illustrated. Moreover, Nicki didn't show anything in the video that you wouldn't see on any public beach.
If you think Nicki is portraying herself as an object, then you're completely missing the point of the song. LMFAO has "Sexy & I Know It", Aerosmith has "My Big Ten Inch", Three 6 Mafia has "Slob on my Knob", and I can keep going—no one thinks of those songs as "male objectification." A woman can sing proudly about her sexuality without it being "objectification." "I got a big fat ass" is not objectifying, nor is Beyoncé's "He Monica Lewinsky'd all on my blouse."
In what world does Anaconda taking itself seriously when she rants, raves, and cackles in the outro? In what world is Anaconda not just a fun party song? How sad, that because Nicki is considered attractive, her videos can't be humorous. Nicki is literally doing nothing that LMFAO didn't do.
This sexism has got to stop. You people literally have zero right to judge the way she embraces her sexuality. It's disgusting, especially in 2014.
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No one was upset with Channing Tatum because… it was a movie. It was a character. It was not Channing being Channing. Just like no one thought it was awful for Demi Moore to be a stripper in a movie, or Jessica Alba, etc. And sure, thongs are beachwear (not too often in America but ok), but the beach is not pop music is it? You have to go to a beach, you can view Nicki's video anywhere.
Bieber is shirtless a lot, just like Minaj wears very little usually and there is not this backlash. The difference is clapping your butt and flaunting your body at the camera vs. simply wearing little. I have no problem with overt sexuality and to be honest I prefer it because I love sexuality but there is a clear difference between embracing it and showing it for attention. I believe here it is an embrace of her sexuality, but at the same time it's very much "look at my ass" not "I love my ass".
Now onto the seriousness of the video. Under no circumstances do I believe that this video takes itself seriously, but we are talking about comparing it to something else. It's nearly impossible for it to be exactly as humorous as another. That's just a fact. Of course this video is funny and is meant to be. It's just that the other one puts humour at the front whereas in this one the sexuality is the front. Basically LMFAO were not trying to be sexy when they said "I'm Sexy and I Know It" thus it is a joke. Nicki means it when she's bragging. She's not joking.
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Anyway Doc, I don't want to keep going back and forth but I'm going to end it for me here.
I know how it is to defend someone from people saying they are not right for being sexual and I do like the video, I just think what it comes down to is how sexuality is displayed and although it's not meant to be a classy video, there is little class or art in it, thus people see just the over-the-top sexuality and judge it accordingly. So I can see why people make these comments, and I think they are not necessarily out of place, even if I enjoy the video.
Imagine this video was directed by a really great and artistic video director like Steven Klein. The result could still be funny but it would probably be more artful and that would make the sexuality easier to handle and seem less base-level.
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Doc and Swiss 
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We're slaying this thread.
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Vile just like when you **** yourself at the White House
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