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Discussion: How are men oppressed?
Member Since: 8/28/2011
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I wouldn't say men are oppressed. But it is quite unfair when it comes to custody laws etc.
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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I guess I can slightly agree that gender roles can be a form of misandry, but at the same time it's not really because of women. Like I said, men did it.
Men can be victims of rape and domestic violence, but at the same time, the ****ed up women who feel like it's okay to beat up on men and the men don't have the right to defend themselves do so under the false, ****ed up pretense that it's never okay for a man to hit a woman because they're weaker and because of chivalry. All of these ideas were instilled by men.
My brother has a crazy ass baby mama, makes good money (she has $1 rent, he has a 2 story house in a gated community), and is basically taking care of my nephew anyway, but she has all the power. It really shouldn't be like that, but that all goes back to the idea that women are supposed to raise the child. I disagree with it.
I can agree with the fact that men can be "oppressed" (I don't feel like that's a good word to describe it) in certain situations, but it's not women.
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Member Since: 6/9/2012
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Originally posted by KB.
I guess I can slightly agree that gender roles can be a form of misandry, but at the same time it's not really because of women. Like I said, men did it.
Men can be victims of rape and domestic violence, but at the same time, the ****ed up women who feel like it's okay to beat up on men and the men don't have the right to defend themselves do so under the false, ****ed up pretense that it's never okay for a man to hit a woman because they're weaker and because of chivalry. All of these ideas were instilled by men.
My brother has a crazy ass baby mama, makes good money (she has $1 rent, he has a 2 story house in a gated community), and is basically taking care of my nephew anyway, but she has all the power. It really shouldn't be like that, but that all goes back to the idea that women are supposed to raise the child. I disagree with it.
I can agree with the fact that men can be "oppressed" (I don't feel like that's a good word to describe it) in certain situations, but it's not women.
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Internalized sexism is still sexism. And women also employ those gender roles, whether they created them or not. Just because they are a woman and not a man, does not mean that they can't be held accountable just because men created it. All the men who DID create it are dead anyway, so that logic is broken regardless.
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Sorry, the hypothesizing I was referring to was columnist Dan Savage's hypothesizing about the same article, which I agree with. It was on a podcast so I can't link to it. I've always felt a certain freedom as a gay man that I know a lot of straight men don't. I just don't have to deal with the same pressures to conform to society's expectation of men as a lot of my straight friends, because I've already screwed up the "script" that society writes for straight men.
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That's nice and all but it's irresponsible of you to claim any of that as fact. This is probably just a correlational study. Drawing conclusions from a study of this nature is EXTREMELY messy. I don't even blame you too much. I place the blame on the ineffective link between science community > Pop Science articles and blogs > Public information. Scientists know to be conservative with studies like these but then these Pop Science articles start making huge implications like the one you presented in this thread when it isn't substantiated and all of a sudden the public thinks vaccinations cause Autism. Anyone can make a hypothesis.
I acknowledge how you feel about this and I don't want you to think that I invalidate your perspective. ![:)](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/smile.gif) It's just the evidence you presented isn't really evidence and shouldn't be treated as such.
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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Originally posted by Blatboy
If that was true, then the term "tom-boy" would not exist.
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Please. Any woman who doesn't mind wearing non-form fitting clothes and who would rather play with a basketball than a barbie is automatically going to be labeled as "abnormal" or gay. The problem is that there is a label for it, period. The words "tom-boy" or "pretty-boy" shouldn't exist because they enforce gender roles. They make it seem like it's not okay for a girl to not be super feminine or it's not okay for a guy to be well dressed and put together.
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Member Since: 1/25/2012
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they aren't. men are powerful.
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Member Since: 6/9/2012
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Originally posted by KB.
Please. Any woman who doesn't mind wearing non-form fitting clothes and who would rather play with a basketball than a barbie is automatically going to be labeled as "abnormal" or gay. The problem is that there is a label for it, period. The words "tom-boy" or "pretty-boy" shouldn't exist because they enforce gender roles. They make it seem like it's not okay for a girl to not be super feminine or it's not okay for a guy to be well dressed and put together.
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You literally said that tom-boys are automatically labelled dikes. If they were automatically labelled, the term tom-boy would not exist, when clearly it does.
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Interesting fun fact:
Openly gay men are depressed less frequently than straight men. It's hypothesized that this is because straight men are forced into a "script" by our society. They MUST be the bread-winner, they MUST be strong, they MUST not be overly emotional, etc etc.
Men are not oppressed in the traditional sense, but the toxicity of our gender roles and how our society views gender most definitely harms men on an individual level.
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As a straight myself, I can co-sign all of this. Great post.
When you don't fit the gender norms that are in place for "straight+male", then you go about most your social interaction with a facade to prevent criticism and judgement. You put on a face and persona that might not be the real you at all to meet the demands at least on the outside. It can be frustrating and detrimental to your happiness and self-confidence.
That situation gets worse when you know somebody you want to be genuine with, but you don't know how to do it because you can't get alone time with them. You might have trouble approaching people on a real level because you're unsure how to do it without losing face in front of others.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I live in south USA and I have to say that no group has it harder than black males (relative to my demographic and geographical location).
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by KB.
I guess I can slightly agree that gender roles can be a form of misandry, but at the same time it's not really because of women. Like I said, men did it.
Men can be victims of rape and domestic violence, but at the same time, the ****ed up women who feel like it's okay to beat up on men and the men don't have the right to defend themselves do so under the false, ****ed up pretense that it's never okay for a man to hit a woman because they're weaker and because of chivalry. All of these ideas were instilled by men.
My brother has a crazy ass baby mama, makes good money (she has $1 rent, he has a 2 story house in a gated community), and is basically taking care of my nephew anyway, but she has all the power. It really shouldn't be like that, but that all goes back to the idea that women are supposed to raise the child. I disagree with it.
I can agree with the fact that men can be "oppressed" (I don't feel like that's a good word to describe it) in certain situations, but it's not women.
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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Originally posted by Blatboy
You literally said that tom-boys are automatically labelled dikes. If they were automatically labelled, the term tom-boy would not exist, when clearly it does.
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What I'm saying is any female that dresses masculine and exhibits male characteristics are often automatically assumed to be gay. Often, in society tom-boy = lesbian, but that's not always the case.
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Since we're talking about oppression and gender roles, what about the gay guys that often scrutinize feminine gays? What is that? Just self hate or is that oppression too? Is it never okay for a guy to exude feminine characteristics?
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Member Since: 8/1/2008
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Not precisely opression but I hate the fact that women are "entitled" to certain social gestures like men getting up on the bus for them to sit. Unless they're pregnant or old it's freaking ******** and I don't care if people frown upon me.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
they aren't. men are powerful.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 1,891
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Patriarchy & Gender Roles.
... especially in the black community.
I've gotten into so many debates & discussions about that. The ignorance that just permeates throughout is both irritating and exhausting. It's something that I've let go of, I don't even deal with it anymore. That's one of the many reasons why I feel the way I do these days.
At the end of the day, I do what I want; so, they can just kiss it.
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Member Since: 6/23/2012
Posts: 2,525
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Mainly dealing with gender roles and the idea that men are one thing and one thing only and if you don't fit that criteria you aren't a "real man." Also male rape victims and the whole idea that they are "weak" which in turn forces them to keep their situation hidden as to not be ridiculed by society.
Can't really think of too much else.
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Member Since: 5/28/2010
Posts: 29,225
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Originally posted by chjw
Society, particularly highlighted in TV and film, sees men hitting women as unacceptable but not necessarily, to most, the other way round. If a female on TV/film hit a man not many people bat an eyelid but if it was the other way round...
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This is the result of ingrained misogyny. We believe women to be weaker and their hits won't hurt. Meanwhile, we believe men to be stronger and their hits will hurt so more action is taken against a man.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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I'm not gloryfying this ******** question with an answer, sorry. I've already done too much by posting in here.
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Member Since: 9/5/2012
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I wouldn't go so far to say they are oppressed. I mean there are definitely disadvantages, but none of them are even close to the oppression women face daily.
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