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News: Serena Williams exposed as disgusting victim blamer.
Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
This tbh. It's like me walking into a violent area, with a wallet full of cash and gold jewelry. If some decides to rob me, I can say "Well people shouldn't thieve". Which is true, but I have to take some responsibility for not taking any precautions before walking into that area. Even though I'm not doing anything wrong, knowing the reality of the situation, I could have prevented the outcome. I'm not saying all rape is preventable. But from what I've read, she could have made better decisions tbh.
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PREACH, mama!
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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Originally posted by Starburst
I'll say "surround yourself with people who love and respect you because there are ****** people in this world and it's not worth the risk exposing your true self to them." Again, not placing any blame on the victim, but giving them advice to take preventive measures in the future.
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Again, how many times does it have to be said that there really aren't any preventative measures that can be taken to protect yourself from being raped? Please go find me profile of a prototypical rapist. I'll wait.
Some people get drugged by their friends or people they trust. Kids get molested by their parents and pastors. People get murdered by loved ones. You never know.
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Member Since: 5/3/2012
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 Serena said nothing wrong. The girl shouldn't have been wasted to the point of blacking out and she was underage meanin she shouldn't have been drinking anyway.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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seems like a lot of ppl here feel there's no way to protect ones self from danger
so everybody should go out every night
leave their doors unlocked, get drunk , & wear a please rape me sign
because there still are possibilities of getting robbed, raped, killed etc
might as well just risk it
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Starburst
Or, you know, have friends who would protect you in a situation like that. |
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
You know what, in response to what Jay said: the locked house-unlocked house analogy does not work. All houses are houses. A nice mansion is a nice mansion. A nice mansion could be very well manned and guarded and have every door and window locked, but that would not make the nice mansion less attractive to potential robbers.
It would not be the mansion's owner's fault for 'insufficiently' protecting their home - even if only some of the windows and doors were locked and guarded. It is still all the robber's fault, which is why the robber would be arrested and charged rather than the home owner.
You leave doors open when you throw a party. It does not make it your fault if a robber comes in and raises hell. You dress like a hoe for a party. It is still NOT YOUR FAULT if someone rapes you.  |
Sure the girl did make a mistake and drank booze recklessly but that's not the point, it doesnt give these disgusting rapists any rights to go rape her. you can be sober asleep awake drunk whatsoever. But these aren't excuses to go rape someone. 
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by 8=K=A=Y=B=E=E=D
Again, how many times does it have to be said that there really aren't any preventative measures that can be taken to protect yourself from being raped? Please go find me profile of a prototypical rapist. I'll wait.
Some people get drugged by their friends or people they trust. Kids get molested by their parents and pastors. People get murdered by loved ones. You never know.
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But Serena was just pointing out in this one case, based on the story she was reading, there WERE preventive measures. Obviously, it's not this way in every case.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by Great Username
"it's up to the person to not put themselves in the situation".
You are, maybe subconsciously, putting a portion of the blame on the victim by saying "it's up to" her not to put herself in a rape situation. There is no rape situation.
You can get drunk and not expect to be raped and then in fact have people condescendingly telling you to use that as a "general life lesson".
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No, no, no. I'm not subconsciously or consciously putting blame on the victim. I know what I'm saying. I'm not blaming her at all. And I'm sorry if you took the general life lesson comment that way, it's no reason to be sarcastic about it. Do you not lock your house up to avoid it being broke in at night? Are you not careful with knives in the kitchen? I'm not saying women can't go out and have a good time because she might get raped. I just don't see what's wrong with saying you have to be more careful. Would it be bad to tell a child to be more careful outside if they almost got hit by a car in the road? No.
You all keep saying boys should be taught not to do things like this (WHICH is true, they need the parenting and guidance as girls do).. but it's totally okay for a girl to go out without being taught defense or precautions. Don't dare tell them to be careful or you'll be seen as sexist/bringing women down/blaming them if something happens to them. I'm not completely getting it. Maybe it's because you and others are stuck on this idea that everyone is blaming the victim and celebrating the boys, but I have yet to see anyone do that. Most are agreeing with Selena -- basically watch out for yourself if you're doing things like this, especially when you shouldn't.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
Victim-blaming yet again, genius. 
You're STILL putting the victim at fault for another person's actions. No, you're not more likely to be raped because you sleep around. Children are raped, elderly people are raped, women who live in countries where they're basically a man's legal property and therefore never have a chance to be promiscuous get raped. Are they at fault too? As long you're a human among other humans (especially as a female), you're likely to be raped. There's nothing you can do to completely avoid it, and if it never happens to you it's due to sheer luck. It seems like you keep repeating yourself this lie as a way of lulling yourself into a false sense of security. |
Oh boy....
Okay so lets just say I'm partly "blaming" the victim,in a way; You know whats right and you know whats wrong.Yes in human nature sometimes we get caught up in things that werent even meant to be,but all I AM saying is that no rape is not deserved,but chances are higher if you are carefree and reckless.
I understand that family members rape other family members in incest, babies, elderly etc I get it,but the difference is they aren't always intoxicated like this girl was. She was being sloppy,and was under the influence. If she hadn't been drunk and was sober,she probably could have left if she felt uncomfortable or told someone of harassment prior to the raping. BUT SINCE HER ASS WAS FLAT OUT PASSED OUT that is what happened.
It's cause and effect bay,no more simpler than that.
Why are you so thick headed??? 
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Everyone has to make better decisions but the rapists.
I understand now.
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yup it's all my fault for being drugged & raped for several hours, have a video of me being raped spread across the internet. And then have the same boys ridicule me on video and have no remorse for the fact they vandalized me in every way possible. Oh silly me
I hope some of these fonts family members don't get raped because they would not be saying that "well if you did this......" b.s.
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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Originally posted by Javan
This tbh. It's like me walking into a violent area, with a wallet full of cash and gold jewelry. If some decides to rob me, I can say "Well people shouldn't thieve". Which is true, but I have to take some responsibility for not taking any precautions before walking into that area. Even though I'm not doing anything wrong, knowing the reality of the situation, I could have prevented the outcome. I'm not saying all rape is preventable. But from what I've read, she could have made better decisions tbh.
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Nah. This doesn't work.
Walking into a dangerous neighborhood whilst strapped with cash is not the same thing as being drunken and raped. It is very likely that you will know which neighborhoods are dangerous and it is your responsibility to know. There is no way for a girl to know which man will rape her - it could be her own father whom she loves dearly! It is certainly not a girl's responsibility to interview and investigate every man she encounters - and that's what she would have to do if she wanted to know where it would be safe to be drunk because again, you never know who will rape you.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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But yeah I think the root of Serenas comment was "Don't get pissy drunk" and less "Don't get pissy drunk because then you will end up getting yourself raped."
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Member Since: 5/14/2011
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Originally posted by J a y
No one is saying it is the victims fault. Most of us here are saying that there are measures to prevent such acts.
Of course, you could be raped whilst sober, but that isn't the case here.
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Well girls might as well never go out of that house by that reasoning. ( ignore the tone set by the smiley I just put it there send the message that I am against the previous statement) They could be raped anywhere.
I blame the constant jokes about women and rape. The public has been desensitized by this and as a result, stupid boys and girls are more likely to participate in the activity.
Regardless, people should be more focused on telling the boys (or girls) to behave rather than focusing on telling the girls (or boys) not to dress so scantily.
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Member Since: 1/12/2012
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She didn't lie, but maybe the way she said that was not correct.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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time to use some of you guys flawed mentality:
Rihanna should have never got in the car with Chris that night...she should have taken the proper precautions
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by castrobabytiger
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Tha **** you quoting me for? Are you guys really saying you don't go to clubs with friends who have your back? SORRY, PREPOSTEROUS STATEMENT.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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Originally posted by Mr Telephone Man
Some of you in this thread are digusting...did any of you actually follow the case? She wasn't DRUNK she was drugged. that is how she got so far gone. I'll be sure to remember the next time I drink one alcoholic beverage and get drugged, then raped, that it was my fault. Cause yes, it is in a mans disposition to rape and I should have known better. I should live my life on guard 24/7 because I should know better that men rape |
In that case it's her fault for interacting with the male sex!
The fact that men never have to contend with this victim-blaming mess when they decide to get blind drunk at public gatherings is proof that the mentality behind this is nothing more than sexism. Spare me the BS about this merely being advice for her own good.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Everyone has to make better decisions but the rapists.
I understand now.
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 ATRL logic 
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Member Since: 4/21/2012
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Everyone has to make better decisions but the rapists.
I understand now.
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! I guess I better wear a turtleneck and long ass pants every time I want to go out. And never meet or trust anyone new.
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