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Poll: Does Race Still Matter In The Pop Industry?
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View Poll Results: Does it?
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Yes.
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62.96% |
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No.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I completely agree. But again, if a white girl does rap (i.e Karmin), it's praised by the white public who are probably the major album buyers in today's industry.
But a black female venturing out of her "black genre" would raise eyebrows and break barriers. She would have to be AMAZING to appeal the public if she ventured out
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It is sad. Black girls have to be SOOO flawless in whatever they do and make it work. Which hardly happens as they're not a commercial priority.
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All I know is you all better be supporting Janelle Monae when she releases her next album. 
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I stan for that goddess, she will have my adoration till the grave.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Can y'all see things changing if US pop opens up?
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As much as I love R&B & Hip Hop
I wish there were more ethnic people in other genres.
Not that I personally need ethnic people to enjoy music.
But it would make alot of musicians of color feel better about their chances.
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Originally posted by Sláy
And remember when Love takes over? PAID DUST while WW ate it up  y'all need to sort your states out smh. |
THIS!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I completely agree. But again, if a white girl does rap (i.e Karmin), it's praised by the white public who are probably the major album buyers in today's industry.
But a black female venturing out of her "black genre" would raise eyebrows and break barriers. She would have to be AMAZING to appeal the public if she ventured out
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That's true, but at the same time, Karmin isn't exactly taken seriously. And also, they pretty much are on the same level of success in pop music as Rita Ora or Shontelle. And people forget artists like Usher and Jason Derulo and Chris Brown all manage to score big pop hits as well. They might not sell much, but they aren't selling much less than Ke$ha, Christina, Katy, Lana, etc.
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Originally posted by liferekindled
I'm pretty sure Hip-Hop was a direct result of oppression from the white man.  |
What point are you trying to make?
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Originally posted by NikkiFloresFan
As far as reaching 5x platinum in pop music I feel like it's tougher now, not because of race, but because the market is so flooded with singers that you're not gonna have it be like back with Michael or Whitney when there wasn't as much competition so a lot more people listened liked and support a specific artist. It's easier in other genres, country, alternative because the number of great acts aren't as high as with pop and rnb so I feel in that case theres no racism, but with the asian and latin markets I feel that it'll take an artist to just come out with a really good album, forgive my ignorance, but I haven't heard and billboard #1 quality album from an asian or latin act.
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You haven't heard a great album from an asian or latin artist?  What ignorance. Just because YOU are ignorant about music from latin or asian artist doesn't mean they "don't make music as good as white artists, therefore they don't deserve success". Such racism smh
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Originally posted by Sound Check
That's true, but at the same time, Karmin isn't exactly taken seriously. And also, they pretty much are on the same level of success in pop music as Rita Ora or Shontelle. And people forget artists like Usher and Jason Derulo and Chris Brown all manage to score big pop hits as well. They might not sell much, but they aren't selling much less than Ke$ha, Christina, Katy, Lana, etc.
What point are you trying to make?
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Oh of course. IMO karmin is kind of a joke but it was very interesting to see the media SO EASILY slap "rap" next to her name. A rap white female artist? Hell yes that would sell so of course they went for that
Lol im having way too much fun in this thread. I think because i took a course of race and ethnicity issues during undergrad :P
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
You haven't heard a great album from an asian or latin artist? What ignorance. Just because YOU are ignorant about music from latin or asian artist doesn't mean they "don't make music as good as white artists, therefore they don't deserve success". Such racism smh |
How about you educate people on all the outstanding latin and asian music out there instead of being a pretentious snob about it? No need to be rude, especially when the person you're insulting acknowledges their ignorance towards those markets.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Oh of course. IMO karmin is kind of a joke but it was very interesting to see the media SO EASILY slap "rap" next to her name. A rap white female artist? Hell yes that would sell so of course they went for that
Lol im having way too much fun in this thread. I think because i took a course of race and ethnicity issues during undergrad :P
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No doubt, but that also works as a novelty act, like "Oh, how cool, a white girl rapping!" You don't get that as much with African-American artists recording pop music, there really isn't any shock factor to it.
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There are no current top selling asian artists because:
1) theres much fewer trying to breakout in the industry = less probabilty an asian popstar will be made
2) its hard for them to make it pass industry doors. I think they would fear that he/she wouldnt sell well because barely any Asian has yet. But i think in due time this will get better
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
As much as I love R&B & Hip Hop
I wish there were more ethnic people in other genres.
Not that I personally need ethnic people to enjoy music.
But it would make alot of musicians of color feel better about their chances. |
The thing is that people of color in other genres that are primarily populated by White artists often a) aren't appealing to that genre's demographic and b) get labeled sell-outs.
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The fact of the matter is it all boils down to money.....
Legend:
Ethnic = only that specific Ethnic Market
General Public = Caucasian Market + European Market
Light Skin Black Pop music = 75%-90% Ethnic Market + 75%- 90% General Public Market = Profit
Beyonce(DIL,B-DAY & IAMSF ) & Rihanna
Light Skin Black R&B music= 80-95% Ethnic Market + 60%-75% General Public Market = Profit
Alicia Keys & Beyonce(4)
Medium - to Brown Skinned Pop or R&B music = 50% - 75% Ethnic Market + 40% General Public Market = Moderate Profit
(Chrisette Michele & Ciara)
Dark Skinned with R&B/Soul music = 50% - 60% Ethnic Market + 30%-40% General Public Market = low profit somewhat marketable
(Mary J Blidge)
Dark skinned with Pop/techno music = 25% Ethnic Market + 25%-35% General Public Market = Not Marketable
(Kelly Rowland)
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Originally posted by Sound Check
No doubt, but that also works as a novelty act, like "Oh, how cool, a white girl rapping!" You don't get that as much with African-American artists recording pop music, there really isn't any shock factor to it.
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THATS the word i was looking for. NOVELTY. Thank you
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Member Since: 8/12/2012
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
If Jill Scott made 21 it wouldn't have a TENTH of the success Adele had. Jill could make an album like 21 in her sleep (and she has), but it wouldn't reach the magnitude of 21.
A thick white soul singer with a 'black' singing voice is more interesting to mainstream audiences than a common thick black soul singer (the stereotype). |
But can we say the same from Black Community, most of them listen to black musician, only when something is really good, race doesn't matter. Look at the Grammys, when Adele won the main price she came on the stage and griped and hug LL Cool J without any reservedness, and the blacks who had seen this knew this was genuine.
The same some years ago with the comeback of Tina Turner she was that good and genuine that race doesn't matter.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
yes.
Beyonce's always somewhat transcended race up until 4. Imo, Beyonce's 4 hasn't been as successful not because of the album's quality necessarily, imo, but because she has shown strong support for Barack Obama, thereby turning her into a psuedo-political figure for many people who might otherwise pick up her album in Target or Walmart.
if you don't believe me, look at how being political has affected Oprah (with her lackluster power and channel these past few post-obama years).
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absolute delusion, most people period supported Obama, tons of others stars did and it in no way affected them negatively
4's singles flopped and sales underperformed compared to her previous albums because the lead single was crap and flopped, and the rest of the singles were very progressive R&B which is not popular right now...if she had done dance pop like Rihanna she would have smashed. Beyonce is one of those black artists accepted globally by audiences of pretty much every race, but it's because she's perceived as being pop in most places, not r&b.
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Originally posted by shanners
The fact of the matter is it all boils down to money.....
Legend:
Ethnic = only that specific Ethnic Market
The General Public = Caucasian Market + European Market
Light Skin Black Pop music = 90% Ethnic Market + 90% General Public Market = Profit Beyonce(DIL,B-DAY & IAMSF ) & Rihanna
Light Skin Black R&B music= 95% Ethnic Market + 75% General Public Market = Profit Alicia Keys & Beyonce(4)
Medium - to Brown Skinned Pop or R&B music = 50% - 75% Ethnic Market + 40% General Public Market = Moderate Profit (Chrisette Michele & Ciara)
Dark Skinned with R&B/Soul music = 50% - 60% Ethnic Market + 30%-40% General Public = low profit somewhat marketable (Mary J Blidge)
Dark skinned with Pop/techno music = 25% Ethnic Market + 25%-35% General Public = Not Marketable (Kelly Rowland) |
It's waaaaay too late for math
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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I swear if Azealia does not smash, ill be pissed beyond normal. Ill believe this racist thing but i must say i blame record companies, there promotion is horrid for those artists and the media for lacklustre hype.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by Doc
The thing is that people of color in other genres that are primarily populated by White artists often a) aren't appealing to that genre's demographic and b) get labeled sell-outs.
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Rihanna used to get dragged for filth when Good Girl Gone Bad came out
And it wasn't like she was some Angie Stone type artist before that. 
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