[Taigan]

Originally posted by Manchs

Oh.

You're welcome

Don't worry about it, it's just pressed that our faves have stunning voices.

[vuelve88]

Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction

And to what am I bowing down to? Your biased and subjective opinions? Kii.*

It makes me delirious with laughter how using producers make you a lessor. According to that FAULTY logic, EVERY SINGLE ARTIST must be less talented than Taylor. Whitney, Aretha, Beyonce, GaGa, Michael Jackson, Kelly Clarkson etc...all of whom have more critical acclaim from multiple formats and genres, WW record sales and talent must be a lessor next to Taylor. Kii! I am done. Have a nice life riddled in delusion.*

I never said anything about using producers. Reading comprehension, friend. This was about songwriting.

If a "life riddled in delusion" equates to more high critic reviews and Grammy Awards, eh, that sounds good to me.

You want to downplay Taylor's talents, but every professional critic knows better.

[Loghen]

Originally posted by Addicted

Michael Jackson didn't write every song on Thriller, so by your logic Taylor is more talented than him.

He never implied that but let me get out of here.

[Manchs]

Originally posted by Taigan

Don't worry about it, it's just pressed that our faves have stunning voices.

Yeah, I'm not worried at all. It's not like her fans were not upset when Taylor lost all the other 6 Grammys she was nominated for since she started her carrer. Exactly the same amount of awards she has won. Definitely a sign of affirmation of talent as a songwriter and artist. Talking about double standards.

[stoopidjenna]

Originally posted by vuelve88

I never said anything about using producers. Reading comprehension, friend. This was about songwriting.

If a "life riddled in delusion" equates to more high critic reviews and Grammy Awards, eh, that sounds good to me.

You want to downplay Taylor's talents, but every professional critic knows better.

Awards and critical reviews obviously do have some merit, but to use them as the end all is ridiculous. There are tons of artists/albums that never won any Grammy's that most would agree are immensely more talented than some of those who have won multiple.

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by vuelve88

I never said anything about using producers. Reading comprehension, friend. This was about songwriting.

If a "life riddled in delusion" equates to more high critic reviews and Grammy Awards, eh, that sounds good to me.

You want to downplay Taylor's talents, but every professional critic knows better.

Whitney didn't write any of her songs, is Taylor more talented than her?

Although it is like comparing apples and oranges I believe the amount of talent Kelly has vocally outweighs Taylor's songwriting talent.

[vuelve88]

Originally posted by Addicted

Michael Jackson didn't write every song on Thriller, so by your logic Taylor is more talented than him.

Kiiii @ Edge's post, these people are reaching so much.

No, no. That's not how logic works.

I would have weighed Michael Jackson's many talents and compared them to Taylor's. I never said that songwriting was the official trump card.

[muddysquirrel]

Rich talk about bias. This is all i see clarkson-fans throwing. Only thing we can somewhat measure is acclaim. Taylor beats Kelly in that component. With that note i am out. Bye.

[tj hazuki]

Originally posted by muddysquirrel

Rich talk about bias. This is all i see clarkson-fans throwing. Only thing we can somewhat measure is acclaim. Taylor beats Kelly in that component. With that note i am out. Bye.

So Critical Acclaim means more talent... good to know.

[notmyselftonight]

Kelly.

[LDYGG]

Originally posted by DejaVu

Kelly:
Singing - 9
Dancing - 5
Writing - 7
Acting - 7
Instruments - 4

Average: 6.4


Taylor:
Singing - 2
Dancing - 1
Writing - 8
Acting - 4
Instruments - 5

Average: 4

Hmm, very scientific. I agree.

[Right Now]

Hmmm I prefer Kelly.

[vuelve88]

Originally posted by Addicted

Not you contradicting all of your other posts.

You're the one saying Taylor is more talented because she writes all of her own songs and Kelly uses other song writers.. Now you're trying to back out once you've been clocked that songwriting does not equal more talent.

I think we know who has the most all-around talent, ATRL clearly does too.

Dude, you have to understand that I am weighing their talents. You are thinking far too simply, which is why you and the other Kelly fans keep on throwing out these bizarre Whitney and Michael Jackson comparisons. lol

I never contradicted myself. You just have a flawed sense of logic. In attempting to call me out, you are only highlighting your inability to process my argument.

Taylor has more talents and is a more complete artist. She is more talented. If let on her own, she could create enough songs for an entire album and provide vocals for them. She did this with "Speak Now" and the majority of professional critics responded positively, giving affirmation to Taylor's talents as an artist.

[MovinKindaSlow]

The results

[Jdella11]

Originally posted by LDYGG

Hmm, very scientific. I agree.

dfkasdfkasdf. How?

-We all know that Taylor is more than a 2 when it comes to vocals. Kelly's a 10, she's my second favorite vocalist of the main pop girls. Taylor's a 5.

-He has Kelly being way ahead Taylor in dancing when we both know that both of them suck at it. Kelly's a 3, Taylor's a 1.

-He has Kelly almost equal with Taylor in writing when none of us actually KNOW what lyrics Kelly has contributed. Say what you want about what her co-writers have said, they're there for a reason. With Taylor, it's all there. Taylor's a 9, Kelly's a 5.

-Acting is just a ridiculous category in general. But they're both awful, again neither above a 5. I'll give Kelly a 4 and Taylor a 3.

- Instruments is the most ridiculous one. As already stated, Taylor can play multiple instruments and has live. Taylor's a 7, Kelly's a 3.

-He didn't mention producing/composing AT ALL. We all know the reason for that though.

[Achilles.]

Originally posted by Manchs

Yeah, I'm not worried at all. It's not like her fans were not upset when Taylor lost all the other 6 Grammys she was nominated for since she started her carrer. Exactly the same amount of awards she has won. Definitely a sign of affirmation of talent as a songwriter and artist. Talking about double standards.

If we're measuring by Grammy losses, Taylor has lost 50% of her nominations whereas Kelly has lost 66% of her nominations. However, the ratio of Grammy wins compared to losses is hardly a fair measure considering Madonna has lost 75% of her noms.

[KevinKDC]

I lol'd.

[vuelve88]

Originally posted by Addicted

Your logic is flawed, there is no need to get angry about it we all make mistakes.

You were basing your argument on the fact that Taylor wrote a whole album of songs, saying she is more talented because she did not work with other song-writers. We simply pointed out that many other artists who are widely regarded as more talented than Taylor have used additional song-writers on some of the most popular albums of all time.

If we are basing it on all-around talent, Kelly wins because she has the vocal edge.

No, no. That's not how logic works. Really, I suggest you to refrain from using the word "logic."

[B[2]D]

I just can't who thinks Kelly can Dance and Acting

[Manchs]

Originally posted by JakeKills

If we're measuring by Grammy losses, Taylor has lost 50% of her nominations whereas Kelly has lost 66% of her nominations. However, the ratio of Grammy wins compared to losses is hardly a fair measure considering Madonna has lost 75% of her noms.

Sorry, the percentage was not the point I was trying to make. What I tried to say is that Taylor lost 6 nominations. Does that mean the others were more deserving? By his logic, she didn't. Probably several Taylor fans were mad because she lost. Of course, they are fans, they should want her to win, but saying she won several awards because she deserved and was an affirmation of her talent, like, ok, but what about all the others she lost? She was not deserving?