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Poll: Do you really believe Gaga will attain "TFM" success again?
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View Poll Results: Do you believe Gaga can reach TFM success again?
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Yeah, it's possible.
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Nah, she peaked.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
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I said "she won't get that back completely" didn't I?
And I have posted more since then, adding to my statement. She won't be the fixture she was during TFM, but she can still have success.
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Originally posted by Swag
Britney was a global phenomenon that permeates 'til this very day our cultural fabric, she was the Icon of a complete generation, She attained Pop Royalty status, Gaga may had been able to reach Britney's level of impact and longevity if she had not relied on the antics so heavily, for that mistake she made the public turn against her too early in her career, it was not time yet for a backlash, yet she brought it on herself.
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Didn't Britney rely on "antics"? The lip syncing, sex appeal, virginity, good girl, pin up, etc.? Britney didn't wear crazy ****, but she had antics and gimmicks that attracted people. You're acting like she's been around for ten years when it's only been three years.
The only people who turned against her are stans of other people.
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Originally posted by EmaciatedHooker
I believe it's the opposite of sad. That kind of impact is what sets someone up for a lifetime of success. It's the type of thing that only happens to an artist every decade or so. It's kind of like nature crowning them as the next big thing. It was huge and it won't happen again, but it still happened and you can't take that away from her.
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Oh, don't be mistaken; I'm not taking anything away from her. The success she had with The Fame (Monster) was literally insane and it boiled to a magnitude that only a handful of people have ever achieved in their careers. My only point is that it's a bit disheartening to - well - know that she's never going to see the heights that she did with her debut era on a commercial level; however, the fact that she can grow on a critical level makes the whole situation a lot better.
And you are correct in that impact to that degree sets an artist up for a lifetime of success, but it's all about what the artist does with that chance. Only time will tell if Gaga can handle what happened to her well.
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Originally posted by Swag
Britney was a global phenomenon that permeates 'til this very day our cultural fabric, she was the Icon of a complete generation, She attained Pop Royalty status, Gaga may had been able to reach Britney's level of impact and longevity if she had not relied on the antics so heavily, for that mistake she made the public turn against her too early in her career, it was not time yet for a backlash, yet she brought it on herself.
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You make it sound like people publicly detest Gaga  Britney had much of the same backlash when she turned "too sexy" for her teenage image. Let's not.
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She peaked but she can still have more succesful eras.
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Not another Gaga-Thread from Vin to bash her.
This Forum seems not to have really smart members cause they all falling for it again and again. 
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Originally posted by Ra2
I really don't see how the public has turned against her.
She had an era where she didn't go #1 on pop songs except for the lead.
I think you can look at many of Britney's songs (even excluding Britney) and you'll find that not EVERY Britney single went #1 on pop songs.
And you can't say it's cause Gaga has no more #1 singles; she's gotten 1 of her 3 #1s in her "worst" era.
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Actually for the amount of success that Britney had I expected more top 10 singles. A lot of the songs she released didn't reach top 10 either or top 5. But her legacy and her impact makes it seem like many of the songs she released were in fact much more successful than they really were.
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Actually for the amount of success that Britney had I expected more top 10 singles. A lot of the songs she released didn't reach top 10 either or top 5. But her legacy and her impact makes it seem like many of the songs she released were in fact much more successful than they really were.
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It's really funny because I've talked to plenty of people who heard all of Gaga's B TW singles "ALL THE TIME" except for like Judas (and to a much lesser extent Marry The Night).
Many people probably don't realize that Gaga"s "fallen" unless they're a pop culture junkie. Even more than that, because she demands so much media attention, it even augments the fallacy that the general public knows to be true.
When she disappears because she's not releasing singles, and by late this year or early next year when she releases her next effort, people will definitely be all over her again.
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Originally posted by EmaciatedHooker
Didn't Britney rely on "antics"? The lip syncing, sex appeal, virginity, good girl, pin up, etc.? Britney didn't wear crazy ****, but she had antics and gimmicks that attracted people.
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antics plural of an·tics
Noun: Foolish, outrageous, or amusing behavior.
More info »Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary
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Originally posted by EmaciatedHooker
The only people who turned against her are stans of other people.
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I am talking about the general public, when she had 'Just Dance' it was 'cool' to like Gaga, even during 'Bad Romance' but then the costumes kept rolling and rolling while at the same time getting more and more unreasonable and she started being made fun of. What's most ironic of it all is that she's made fun on exactly the very same thing that made her famous. 
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Originally posted by Swag
Britney was a global phenomenon that permeates 'til this very day our cultural fabric, she was the Icon of a complete generation, She attained Pop Royalty status, Gaga may had been able to reach Britney's level of impact and longevity if she had not relied on the antics so heavily, for that mistake she made the public turn against her too early in her career, it was not time yet for a backlash, yet she brought it on herself.
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Excuse me but what backlash did Gaga face, and which public turned on Gaga 
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
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The imaginary backlash from the "public" that only the ones on ATRL who dislike Gaga or didn't like the way the singles sold seem to believe in. 
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Anything is possible, tbh.
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
The imaginary backlash from the "public" that only the ones on ATRL who dislike Gaga or didn't like the way the singles sold seem to believe in. |
The delusion
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I didn't know how to answer initially, then it hit me; Diversity. The fact that she's a chorus creating genius may be a reason alone to vote yes, but it's solidified by the fact that IF she wants to, she can still bring a fresh sound that will separate her from her peers, even if it's not dance.
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Originally posted by jayyyxtee
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Refer to this post.
I'm done.
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ATRL is the only place that acts as though Born This Way earned a 33 on Metacritic and sold only 2 copies with no top 40 hits 
Can Gaga create a song bigger than Poker Face? Or make a video bigger than Bad Romance? We'll have to wait and see. Too early to say she's peaked so early in her career, especially considering the fact that Gaga has a legion of fans right behind her. That's the more than the likes many of these new girls have obtained, some who have been out longer. I'd say the odds are in her favor.
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Gaga will beat TFM, but only if she and her team realize that one "freedom album" was enough. She needs to keep going in the "Heavy Metal Lover" and "Marry the Night" directions musically, instead of releasing music that sounds like its from 1989, or that belongs on a Shania Twain album. I love Born This Way, but the general public sadly isn't here for material like "Yoü and I" or "Bad Kids". She should've stopped with the atypical singles right after BTW; from there she should've used "Schieße" and MTN and HML. If she'd picked the singles better, this album would've been her true peak.
I do have confidence in her; "Out of Control" and "No Way" provide hope for the future, because even her unreleased songs are amazing... when she writes about what she's best at. That's not inspirational lyrics, that's plain old life. The Fame Monster proves she can wright non-fame related, non-inspirational material and be very successful. (and yes I know TFM was written with fame in mind but that's not what one thinks of when listening to it)
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
It's kind of sad in some ways to think she'll never be able to outdo that era because the success of it was so meteoric that it's hardly matchable, but not many people can say that they achieved what she did in one era - which is something Gaga will take with her no matter the course her career follows.
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In the end, only time will tell how the rest of Gaga's career plays out. I think this girl has a lot more in store for us though.
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For everyone screaming "OMG!!!!1111!!! NO WAYYYYY SHE'S PEAKT!!1", what do you think everyone said about Mariah before Emancipation of Mimi? Pop girls can come exploding back onto the scene, so don't put anything past her. Gaga still has a massive fan base.
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