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Poll: Does Lemonade feel bigger than 25?
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Yes, Beyonce always wins. 25 is frontloaded
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No. It hasnt even sold 25's first week numbers
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Who cares? Joanne will end both
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Originally posted by KingKunta
That's exactly my point.
You can't answer the question with anything besides sales. I ask what will 25 be remembered for in 30 years besides big sales and exactly what you reply with is big sales. Your response literally just proved my point it's crazy.
If we're going by this logic then i guess Celine Dion's back to back 30m+ albums are the most influential/impactful and remembered albums of the 90s.
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Celine Dion does have impactful influential and remembered albums of the 90s generally speaking. Among other artists obviously. Just because our 15-28 age bracket doesnt acknowledge her personally doesnt mean she didn't.
The thing about Beyonce is that she outshines her music. She is a cultural force right now, she is used as a vehicle for political agenda. The music is always besides the point honestly. Its not the music from Lemonade that anyone cares about, its the fact that its Beyonce. Formation was the lead and therefore got massive attention but aside from that musically what has this album provided in terms of impact? Musically, besides her rabid fanbase and brainwashing from the media, do you hear the music in the real world? Is Lemonade as an album relevant? No. But Beyonce herself is. Her message of black pride is. I like and support Beyonce but being on these pop forums really makes me start boycotting some of these girls. Like I cant with stans overrating everything. You refer to Lemonade as if its this scholarly substantial record, you know there was once a class on Gagas music at a university as well? All that means is that pop culture has permeated even academic realms through delusional professors, saying that there is a class doesnt make the fact that there is one any less stupid. It doesnt give her depth.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
That's exactly my point.
You can't answer the question with anything besides sales. I ask what will 25 be remembered for in 30 years besides big sales and exactly what you reply with is big sales. Your response literally just proved my point it's crazy.
If we're going by this logic then i guess Celine Dion's back to back 30m+ albums are the most influential/impactful and remembered albums of the 90s.
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Same as to why you can't tell us why all this impact doesn't translate in sales I guess...
25 will be remembered for its big sales omg poor that for breaking countless records for having an iconic come back single. For getting everyone to push back their release dates out of pure fear, for the good songs, for the beautiful tour and the beautiful moments, even Adele's eyeliner will be more remembered.
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Whatever impact Lemonade had begins and ends to the US.
Just because 25 didn't spark conversations doesn't mean it won't be remembered.
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Originally posted by mdnazn
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As much as ATRL says otherwise, they honestly believe that sales=impact
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The impact is Adele selling this much in an era where no one else can. Celine came from an era where sales were normal, so different context.
Also, Adele literally changed the landscape of music, so you can't go saying she had no impact.
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Originally posted by Cockney Cupcake
She tried so hard yet only what? 3m people bought it?
You'd think the !most impact full artist, with the best visuals, best performing skills, best voice, bigger star power, groundbreaking music and release methods would captivate the GP and made an impact on them hat would led to extraordinary sales. I guess not.
Adele's actual impact is the fact that in a dying market where people don't give a **** she had people running to the stores to buy her !music because they knew it would be good. When the music is good you font need 157874321 other things to attract & distract the buyer.
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So basically big numbers
Also I guess going by this logic I guess the fact that Thriller became the biggest selling album of all time not just because the music was good but because of groundbreaking videos being pushed on the damn near all white MTV, iconic performances, tradmark fashions, discussions sparked about race and what a black singer can and can't do etc. were all just distractions right? Ok.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
That's exactly my point.
You can't answer the question with anything besides sales. I ask what will 25 be remembered for in 30 years besides big sales and exactly what you reply with is big sales. Your response literally just proved my point it's crazy.
If we're going by this logic then i guess Celine Dion's back to back 30m+ are the most influential/impactful and remembered of the 90s.
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All of the points you've raised, only bey stans, and avid pop culture fans care about. VMA performance might stick, but that's it.
Adele broke almost every record possible with 25. At the end of the day they are commercial artist, god knows I like to ponder iconic moments/impact when I try to give my opnion on who's bigger. But here the gap in sales is just TOO much to have this kind of argument, especially since Beyonce has not done anything groundbreaking this era. (like ST surprise release for example) 25 is groudbreaking.
And yes it's pretty clear Celine is one of the most successful female act ever, and she probably had the biggest female albums ever with Falling Into You and Let's Talk About Love (especially this one) I mean can you name me ONE person who doesn't know All By Myself or My Heart Will Go On ? 
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Originally posted by T.C
The impact is Adele selling this much in an era where no one else can. Celine came from an era where sales were normal, so different context.
Also, Adele literally changed the landscape of , so you can't go saying she had no impact.
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This myth has to go too, selling 30M+ albums back to back was a feat in the 90s as well, let's not.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
So basically big numbers
Also I guess going by this logic I guess the fact that Thriller became the biggest selling album of all time not just because the music was good but because of groundbreaking videos being pushed on the damn near all white MTV, iconic performances, tradmark fashions, discussions sparked about race and what a black singer can and can't do etc. were all just distractions right? Ok.
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No Michael was groundbreaking at what he did and the music was actually good and remembered to this day. No song from lemonade will be remembered in 20 years on the other hand Hello, it's me will be.
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It's not just the ****ing sales. People are and will continue to listen to 25. Adele's music is for the masses, Beyoncé's isn't (anymore).
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Originally posted by KingKunta
•There are already college courses being offered on it and it hasn't even been out a full year yet
•She, along with Bruno, stole a lot of the shine from Coldplay at the Superbowl
•She sparked controversy at the Superbowl by tributing the Black Panther Party
•Formation lead many into conversation over black pride and black culture
•We saw her take a new found pride in her roots with Formation
•Lemonade's release as a movie on HBO was groundbreaking and again sparked controversy over the status of her marriage
•Lemonade as a whole is pretty much seen as a "black woman's album" that details everything from our struggles with our men to our self esteem in a eurocentric society
•She overshadowed everyone at the VMA's with her performance and has caused many to hail her as the single best female performer of all time, wether you believe that or not is on you
•She again brings race into her performances and art as you can see that all of her background dancers on The Formation Tour are black women
There is more where this comes from but i've yet to see anyone say what influence/impact 25 has outside of sales and numbers.
What will it be remembered for in 30 years outside of selling a lot?
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This is great and all, but almost none of these will be remembered 30 years from now.
Beyoncé as an artist is more impactful and groundbreaking than Adele, and while Lemonade is more revolutionary than 25, the latter is still bigger than the former.
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I'm not sure if you guys are living under a rock, but I hear Lemonade, Formation, Sorry, Becky with good hair, Hold Up memes every single day. I literally haven't heard Hello in months. And I have no idea what her new single is because I never heard anyone talk about it. And it's not hard to have global appeal when you're not from America. Adele has global appeal automatically being that she's British. A black American is not as relatable to Europe as a white British person and that's a fact.
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Originally posted by FBF
This myth has to go too, selling 30M+ albums back to back was a feat in the 90s as well, let's not.
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Of course it was a feat. The argument is that it's more of feat today than it was years ago, an argument made by actual music industry experts from respectable publications, not by a random user on a public forum.
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No. Hello alone seems bigger, tbh.
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Originally posted by FBF
This myth has to go too, selling 30M+ albums back to back was a feat in the 90s as well, let's not.
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If wasn't easy, but it was doable. Mariah, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls and Whitney were all pulling over 30+ million at some point with albums.
What Adele is doing now is incredible.
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Originally posted by TheDevilsAdvocate
I'm not sure of you guys are living under a rock, but I hear Lemonade, Formation, Sorry, Becky with good hair, Hold Up memes every single day. I literally haven't heard Hello in months. And I have no idea what her new single is because I never heard anyone talk about it. And it's not heard to have global appeal when you're not from America. Adele has global appeal automatically being that she's British. A black American is not as relatable to Europe as a white British person and that's a fact.
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I won't... it's too easy
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Originally posted by FBF
All of the points you've raised, only bey stans, and avid pop culture fans care about. VMA performance might stick, but that's it.
Adele broke almost every record possible with 25. At the end of the day they are commercial artist, god knows I like to ponder iconic moments/impact when I try to give my opnion on who's bigger. But here the gap in sales is just TOO much to have this kind of argument, especially since Beyonce has not done anything groundbreaking this era. (like ST surprise release for example) 25 is groudbreaking.
And yes it's pretty clear Celine is one of the most successful female act ever, and that probably had the biggest female album ever with Falling Into You and Let's Talk About Love (especially this one) I mean can you name me ONE person who doesn't know All By Myself or My Heart Will Go On ? |
Or maybe they are just things that I have observed as a black woman that is surrounded by other black women and men...
So basically it's groundbreaking beacuse of it's massive sales?
I never said that Celine Dion was not very successful. I said that going by that logic those albums must be the most remembered of the 90s since they both pulled 30m+. The questions was rhetorical in that the answer is no.
My point is that not every album that sales a lot is necessarily influential nor remembered.
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Anti was bigger than lemonade, single wise. 25 both singles and albums
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Not even close.
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Lemonade was successful but it wasn't a bigger era than 25. The Lemonade era didn't really feel like much, but Adele's comeback was huge.
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Originally posted by T.C
If wasn't easy, but it was doable. Mariah, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls and Whitney were all pulling over 30+ million at some point with .
What Adele is doing now is incredible.
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And they're all gigantic acts of their time, there's no random act of the 90s that got 30M+ albums sold, that's what I meant
Of course what Adele is doing is incredible !
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