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News: Migrant crisis in EU: AUT to build fence on border with SLO
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People should make a distinction between a refugee who truly needs help vs someone who wants to move to take the welfare and not contribute.
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by BadMonster
You can say all this, but statistically speaking Germany is nowhere near queen of Europe... over 20% of the people living in The Netherlands and in France are immigrants/refugees when not even 10% of the people in Germany are. Germany is a huge country with a lot of inhabitants, so you have to look at the statistics and going by that I think Germany could do a lot more tbh. The UK too, only 8.4% of the population is an immigrant. And I'm not saying France/NL shouldn't help at all, but it should be more equal among all EU member states, it's a problem the world has to solve together and I do feel the US should give a lot of financial support or fly the immigrants to the States on their costs, cuz they were the ones to create and start the mess in the Middle East
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that's historically grown.. The Netherlands still have colonies in the Atlantic and elsewhere. Germany had like 6 colonies for 40 years and then lost em all. But you are right, statistically speaking we can take even more.. and yet when you already are 2nd in the world behind the United States in immgration total.. how many more can you take? It is unhealthy to incorporated millions of foreigner's in a "majority society" this needs time. + last time i checked Germany bought the German Democratic Republic in 1990, a "foreign" country of the size of Austria and with 17 milion inhabtants. We still try to assimilate East Germans lol.
In my opinion, Germany is the queen of Europe now because it is literally the only western country without an extreme anti-european, pro nationalist movement party in the parliament, and literally one of maybe a handful of country, if not the only one, that seeks for more european integration. If Angela would change her stance on Greece and austerity, i would be 100% happy with my country's foreign policies. Germany's sole role in Europe is to support unity and peace, stability and growth...we currently only excel in 1 of these fields. But unlike Germany, most western countries want to destablize Europe in order to further their own, nationalistic agenda and that is a sentiment that is foreign to Germany, and has been so since 1945.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Terylee
Each refugee (over 18 years old), in the refugee camps,gets 143 Euro per month besides clothes, food and other stuff they get for free. That's more than some people in Eastern Europe earn per month. After leaving the refugee camp they get around 359 Euro per month. If they have children they get even more.
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For how long will they be receiving this money? Forever? How much do they get for children? Do they get housing as well? Where do they go and what do they do when they leave the camp?
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by stevyy
the only solution is to let them dry out over there, while Europe takes all of their populations and then closes its borders.
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Europe should take in all of the Middle East population that is affected by ISIS??? ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Are we srsly debating who the Queen of Europe is when people from Syria are fighting for their lives to get out of the hell they live in or trying to survive the path to Germany?
Srsly, some of you need empathy.
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
For how long will they be receiving this money? Forever? How much do they get for children? Do they get housing as well? Where do they go and what do they do when they leave the camp?
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there is one family that just moved in one of our neighbouring houses.. it is like a mansion.. with 6 bedrooms and new technology and everything is new. They are surounde by trees, and horses and meadows.. they have bicycles and a car, the kids can play football at a football field nearby. They greet me well when i see them and i greet them back.
when they got their papers they can go to school here and the parents can look for jobs. (of which there are many in every field you can imagine in my area = Northern Germany)
that is what i wish everyone could receive.. just a great life with opportunities.. that is what Germany stands for in 2015.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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^ I've seen that happen in the NL too, it's unfair, there's no way that people working their ass off and earning minimum wage can afford that and those families just get those houses handed to them... and Europe is honestly surprised a lot of people are upset? Give them like 85m2 (living room with a kitchen and two bedrooms) and they should be fine.
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Originally posted by ontherocks
Are we srsly debating who the Queen of Europe is when people from Syria are fighting for their lives to get out of the hell they live in or trying to survive the path to Germany?
Srsly, some of you need empathy.
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The problem is the refugees will be fine in Turkey, so they won't have to cross any water and will be safe a lot faster. They are taking a lot of unnecessary risks because they don't just want safety, they decided if they'd have to flee they'd immediately go for the jackpot
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by BadMonster
The problem is the refugees will be fine in Turkey, so they won't have to cross any water and will be safe a lot faster. They are taking a lot of unnecessary risks because they don't just want safety, they decided if they'd have to flee they'd immediately go for the jackpot
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Wow. Thanks for making it so easy to end up on my ignore list.
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by ontherocks
Are we srsly debating who the Queen of Europe is when people from Syria are fighting for their lives to get out of the hell they live in or trying to survive the path to Germany?
Srsly, some of you need empathy.
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you need to read again and understand the context first before you churn out such populistic remarks.
I want to add that the United Kingdom is more to blame for the rise of ISIS than most other european countries and yet are the one that takes the fewest refugees... I think that the UK's reputation has taken a lot of damage from this whole mess.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Also what is gonna happen when Germany reaches its limit on how much people they can take in?
I doubt the people who arrive after that will just settle for other EU countries like maybe Romania or Bulgaria.
I understand each EU country has a number of how many people they have to take in? No?
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
Also what is gonna happen when Germany reaches its limit on how much people they can take in?
I doubt the people who arrive afret that will just settle for other EU countries like maybe Romania or Bulgaria.
I understand each EU country has a number of how many people they have to take in? No?
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No, as it is right now the country where the refugee enters the EU has to accept the refugee and has to take care of them, it is not allowed to let the refugees travel to another country.
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by BadMonster
The problem is the refugees will be fine in Turkey, so they won't have to cross any water and will be safe a lot faster. They are taking a lot of unnecessary risks because they don't just want safety, they decided if they'd have to flee they'd immediately go for the jackpot
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I disagree about the Turkey remarks.. Turkey is everything BUT a democracy and it doesn't provide social and political security at all.. it occasionally strips its population of basic human rights, their press and media is government controlled and censored most of the times, hence their low rankings on journalists without borders. Turkey and Russia (for me) stand on the same level on political and social freedom and stability.. + Turkey already discriminates a huge portion of their population and many immigrants know that because Turkey has always been this way...
Turkey is a good door opener to the EU for them but nothing more.. and nobody can hold that against them.
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Maybe we can send them to Greenland.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by BadMonster
No, as it is right now the country where the refugee enters the EU has to accept the refugee and has to take care of them, it is not allowed to let the refugees travel to another country.
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Wow
So every country on the Balkan route is breaking the law by letting them through without any kind of control or documents?
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by Pagan Poetry
Maybe we can send them to Greenland.
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So you want to start a new concentration camp? great idea ![skull](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/skull_zpsksni5fmm.gif) This idea + the refugees already being marked with numbers on their arm, I'm starting to get strong WWII teas ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) This is becoming disturbing tbh
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
Wow
So every country on the Balkan route is breaking the law by letting them through without any kind of control or documents?
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Nope, there is a way through Turkey and the Balkan so Hungary is the first EU country they will enter. And honestly I don't think it's a law, but it's in one of the European treaties the member states have signed
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Pagan Poetry
Maybe we can send them to Greenland.
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They don't want to go to Greenland.
They want Germany.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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The situation is more complex than y'all think. It's not gonna be easy for them to find a job in Germany. Yeah, they cost less, but they still don't know the language etc. Plus, I don't see the 100k of them looking for a job straight away. Even when they're in Germany or the UK, what are they gonna do?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Pagan Poetry
Maybe we can send them to Greenland.
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Gulag teas. ![skull](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/skull_zpsksni5fmm.gif)
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Member Since: 8/27/2011
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This is so sad, and it's a very difficult problem to solve, I'm so worried about this
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
The situation is more complex than y'all think. It's not gonna be easy for them to find a job in Germany. Yeah, they cost less, but they still don't know the language etc. Plus, I don't see the 100k of them looking for a job straight away. Even when they're in Germany or the UK, what are they gonna do?
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This is true also, many of them travel here thinking they will find a paradise and end up facing the ugly truth
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
They don't want to go to Greenland.
They want Germany.
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So do you
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