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News: TIME: Amnesty for Immigrants?
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Wow, look at these people who have never seen or spoken to an illegal immigrant continuing to RANT like they know what they're talking about
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Posts like this are laughable. You'll say anything to try and vaildate your point of view. Everyone is allowed different opinions and just because certain people don't agree with you, doesn't mean we don't know what we're talking about
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Goosey exposing his true character as per usual
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Originally posted by Priyanka Chopra
If most illegal Latino immigrants were Caucasian like from Argentina or Brazil, I think the perception and treat mentioned of them would be much different. In the UK, Poles and Caribbean blacks are "taking away" most of the low jobs, but it's Asians that get the most hate for it.
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I mean, all people have to do is look at history to see proof of this. It wasn't until recently that laws were passed to counter the racist quota system, allowing people from Latin America, Asia, Africa, etc to come to the US. (The process itself remains difficult for certain people) It seems some of the racist attitudes still remain, though. I know you used "illegals" in a non-negative manner but this is often used as a racially charged slur. Other people in this thread have used it to dehumanize these people and I find that absolutely disgusting. Xenophobia and racism usually pop up in these discussions, creating a lot of unnecessary noise, so lets not act like those things have nothing to do with this issue.
http://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/3849 - this goes a little more into the racial side of this topic, not everyone is making **** up
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White people being racist
White people acting like they are the victims of everything
White people having the privilege of being unaware of their own privilege
I applaud Obama for his efforts, but he's trying to succeed in a country dominated by white, wealthy, conservative men who only know illegal immigrants as a talking point and not as actual people.
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Posts like this are laughable. You'll say anything to try and vaildate your point of view. Everyone is allowed different opinions and just because certain people don't agree with you, doesn't mean we don't know what we're talking about
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Lol speak for yourself and stop generalizing as usual. I certainly don't think everyone deserves an opinion if it clearly negatively impacts the lives of someone. No one made the claim that a different claim is invalidated because it's different. It's invalidated because the logic behind it is lacking, with no concern history and sociology as I previously said. You're Australian, I doubt you even know what you're talking about. Your posts certainly indicate that.
It's funny how conservatives are so hellbent on talking about "natural", "normal" and "traditional" all the time when it comes to social reform. The law of the universe is entropy; constant change and evolution. It's ironic that being conservative goes against what nature even stands for.
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Most Australians share my point of view. It's your viewpoint that's in the minority. Of the two parties here, The Labor party is the most liberal. The liberal party is like the republicans in the US.
Without the 'whip crackers' and 'greedy industrialists' the world would fall apart life ain't all sunshine and roses like the greens tend to think it is
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Sorry I thought you were an American and labor party was just some random thing I didn't know about. Thank god I don't live on your little island. What does Australia even have to worry about illegal immigrants Talk about removed from the situation.
Once again with the unsubstantiated claims and generalizations. Politics might be up your ally but you're clearly not an intellectual, don't quit your day job. I recommend getting a book on logical fallacies and doing something about your problem
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Originally posted by Newt
What does Australia even have to worry about illegal immigrants
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Sri Lankans...
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Originally posted by Adonis
No it's not. Before calling a comment stupid you might want to read it. Illegals don't pay SS taxes, Unemployment, Medicare, Income. As far as the IRS knows these people aren't even on the books....so how can these people be paying taxes and the businesses who hire them be paying the adequate amount of taxes on them. They aren't. That's why they are willing to accept a lower wage and that's why businesses are willing to risk it. MONEY.
Illegals need to stay in their own country and work to make it a place that's desirable to live. Running away doesn't solve the problems with their government. It creates more problems and uncertainly somewhere else.
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6 million undocumented filed for tax returns last year. They are paying income tax on their salaries, the IRS presumably looks the other way because they're essential to parts of the economy and it would be insane to attempt to audit so many. They get minimum wage unless they're working for cash-in-hand, a practise not reserved for illegals. They pay taxes when they buy products here, they pay taxes when they renew documents like driver's licenses and renew policies like health insurance.
The second half of this comment is as stupid as your last one - they leave because they HAVE TO. It's all great to say you should try make your country better, but when drug cartels who do the most barbaric, unspeakable acts on this continent to protect their controlled territory, it's a lot easier to pretend you'd do the same than actually do it. They're seeking what tens of millions did before them, a better life in the US. Apparently though the American Dream now is to bankrupt your country (morally and financially) on disastrous war efforts and then get angry because people still want to come here for a better life. Don't they know all they have to do is have an unstable country that sits on vast oil reserves and we'll come to them?
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
Posts like this are laughable. You'll say anything to try and vaildate your point of view. Everyone is allowed different opinions and just because certain people don't agree with you, doesn't mean we don't know what we're talking about
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I lived in San Antonio and I know several illegal immigrants right here in NYC. One of the guys wanted me to marry him so he could get his card and stuff. I was like umm no. I'm not going to be used like that by someone who thinks black men are to be used for stuff. I'm like go through the process like everyone else. You should be thankful I haven't alerted the authorities but it's not like it would matter because they are white.
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Originally posted by nd01
this country is built on immigrants, why not help out the less fortunate. some of you remind me of the episode of south park where everyone complained about "them mexicans taking our jobs!" like plz stop ur embarrassing.
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Help the less fortunate citizens first.
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6 million undocumented filed for tax returns last year. They are paying income tax on their salaries,
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Stats for this?
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They get minimum wage unless they're working for cash-in-hand,
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This is blatantly false.
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They pay taxes when they buy products here, they pay taxes when they renew documents like driver's licenses and renew policies like health insurance.
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American citizens do this, plus every other tax.
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The second half of this comment is as stupid as your last one - they leave because they HAVE TO. It's all great to say you should try make your country better, but when drug cartels who do the most barbaric, unspeakable acts on this continent to protect their controlled territory, it's a lot easier to pretend you'd do the same than actually do it. They're seeking what tens of millions did before them, a better life in the US. Apparently though the American Dream now is to bankrupt your country (morally and financially) on disastrous war efforts and then get angry because people still want to come here for a better life. Don't they know all they have to do is have an unstable country that sits on vast oil reserves and we'll come to them?
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Not every illegal is running from the Cartel, stop with this myth. There is a vast # of South American countries to escape to, why come to America? Because they know they can stay and any other country would kick them out.
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Originally posted by Priyanka Chopra
You didn't do anything or sacrifice anything. These illegals are sacrificing more than you ever will in your life. Stop acting like make changes in their own country would be easy. White people have taken over their countries through colonization and when native try to take over, they're portrayed as terrorists. Remember how the Bush administration tried to paint Hugo Chavez as an evil man and wanted him overthrown?
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You don't know what I have and have not sacrificed. Secondly, I was born here. Sacrifice wasn't a condition upon being a citizen of the US. Being born in the US is the condition. People need to live in their own country and make their own country a nice place to live. Admittedly, I was arguably lucky to be born in the US. However, life isn't always fair. I'm trying to make the US a better place to live for the people who are citizens. I'm not trying to feed the world. It's nice if I could but I can't. The best thing I can do is take care of me and my friends and family LEGALLY.
The ends do not justify the means. Follow the law. Get in line. If so many illegals weren't trying to get into the country maybe they'd have immigration reform. However, they want to break the law before they even get here. We have enough criminals here getting a hand out already in the US without a bunch of illegal immigrants stealing resources too.
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Originally posted by Rusty
6 million undocumented filed for tax returns last year. They are paying income tax on their salaries, the IRS presumably looks the other way because they're essential to parts of the economy and it would be insane to attempt to audit so many. They get minimum wage unless they're working for cash-in-hand, a practise not reserved for illegals. They pay taxes when they buy products here, they pay taxes when they renew documents like driver's licenses and renew policies like health insurance.
The second half of this comment is as stupid as your last one - they leave because they HAVE TO. It's all great to say you should try make your country better, but when drug cartels who do the most barbaric, unspeakable acts on this continent to protect their controlled territory, it's a lot easier to pretend you'd do the same than actually do it. They're seeking what tens of millions did before them, a better life in the US. Apparently though the American Dream now is to bankrupt your country (morally and financially) on disastrous war efforts and then get angry because people still want to come here for a better life. Don't they know all they have to do is have an unstable country that sits on vast oil reserves and we'll come to them?
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So now they haven't just broken the immigration law. You've now admitted they've potentially committed identity fraud as well and falsification of government documents. Sweet! Deport 'em. Where does the SSN come from? How are they paying taxes without a SSN (sans the sales tax)?
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White people against immigrants is the greatest irony of all.
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Originally posted by DenzxShe
White people against immigrants is the greatest irony of all.
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The early settlers were not immigrants, they were colonists.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Sri Lankans...
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Isn't that a much smaller problem relatively? Illegal immigrants make up an estimated 4% of the US population. I dunno the numbers but I doubt Australia is comparable
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Originally posted by DenzxShe
White people against immigrants is the greatest irony of all.
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*cough cough*
Correction, not against immigrants. Against illegal immigrants.
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Originally posted by Newt
What does Australia even have to worry about illegal immigrants Talk about removed from the situation.
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Someone doesn't pay attention to worldwide politics The last election was won solely on the promise of stopping the boats. We have a massive problem with boat arrivals from Indonesia and the surrounding countries. Educate yourself before coming for me.
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Originally posted by Newt
You're Australian, I doubt you even know what you're talking about. Your posts certainly indicate that.
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So because i'm Australian, i'm dumb? And you have the nerve to call me ignorant. God bless. Oh and by the way, i'm not conservative at all. I'm on the left of politics, not the right.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Sri Lankans...
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umm....
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Originally posted by Adonis
You don't know what I have and have not sacrificed. Secondly, I was born here. Sacrifice wasn't a condition upon being a citizen of the US. Being born in the US is the condition. People need to live in their own country and make their own country a nice place to live. Admittedly, I was arguably lucky to be born in the US. However, life isn't always fair. I'm trying to make the US a better place to live for the people who are citizens. I'm not trying to feed the world. It's nice if I could buy I can't. The best thing I can do is take care of me and my friends and family LEGALLY.
The ends to not justify the means. Follow the law. Get in line. If so many illegals weren't trying to get into the country maybe they'd have immigration reform. However, they want to break the law before the get here. We have enough criminals here getting a hand out already in the US without a bunch of illegal immigrants stealing resources too.
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These are long paragraphs of endless preaching, but no facts. You have all this big talk about sacrifice and your work to make this country a better place... how? If people stayed in their own countries and made their countries nicer places, you wouldn't even be here.
I agree that people should emigrate legally, but you don't even know what you're talking about. You say they should be making their own countries a better place instead of coming here, but I gave you the example of Hugo Chavez and the US vilifying him when he tried to help native people. You couldn't even respond to my point. Do you know who Chavez is? Your opinion is hard to take seriously when you have little knowledge. You should continue to take care of yourself instead of preaching about what people should do on something you don't know much about.
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