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Celeb News: T-Pain says Aaliyah's death inflated her legacy
Member Since: 3/12/2011
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Originally posted by Priyanka Chopra
I didn't say she didn't have any impact.
I said her status was inflated due her to death. As the South American members pointed out, she was not a mainstream superstar in their countries like some people claim. And I don't think Selena is credited for starting the celebrity clothing line trend...
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Well credited or not it is a proven fact she launched her own line in 1994, who else did it before her? I have yet to see any artist/celebrity and believe me I've looked. And not for bragging rights but out of curiosity.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by gueranegra
Well credited or not it is a proven fact she launched her own line in 1994, who else did it before her? I have yet to see any artist/celebrity and believe me I've looked. And not for bragging rights but out of curiosity.
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Mainstream media credits J.Lo as starting the trend in 2001, but I guess Selena did it first in a smaller scale.
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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It's unfortunate that she died when things were going soooooooooooo well for her. She wasn't flopping like that so when she died, we really didn't have anything bad to say about her. She was well on her way to becoming a global superstar. She had it all. Looks, talent, and drive.
I don't think her death inflated her legacy. It magnified her short life and her potential to reach greater heights.
Her influence is still being felt throughout the industry. It's such a shame that we will never know her true potential.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ImsoLOUD
If Selena is a regional star then what is Pikachu Cleopatra?
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fedfih omg I had to walk away from my computer
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But I get what he is saying, but he should know how people feel about her ESPECIALLY since she is no longer with us due to a tragedy. That is why people say only positive things about her because she was truly taken away from us at a young age.
RIP baby girl ♥
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by EnoughSaid
That happens when any artist dies but you can't deny that over a decade later Aaliyah has a true hold over the people and still gaining new fans, her promise was clear to most people that's why. T-Pain is a nobody that's why he's releasing mixtapes now. And Aaliyah was an established solo act before Beyonce got her foot out of DC, trust me if she was here they'd both have some similarities but definitely in their own lanes musically, fashion wise and film wise.
IF anything Rihanna and Aaliyah seem like similar artists to me, Aaliyah wanted to try alternative rock sounds on top of continuing the futuristic urban sounds she was known for and was going to go far in film and modelling. Have a SEAT T-PAIN and don't use Queen's vocals for your FLOP messes then, he is so unappealing. But that Girlfriends track is a damn mess in itself out of all songs to sample
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Aaliyah I would definitely say has way more talent than Rihanna
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by WheresJay
Yes, her status was inflated after death. I mean ofcourse but why do people feel the need to make comments like this when they aren't true?
A year before her death Aaliyah had her first #1 on the Hot 100, the first song in history to ever shoot to that position based on airplay alone, no sales. Is this a sign of a decline?
Aaliyah's last album was her highest peaking position ever, #2 and her highest first week debut and the lead single wasn't even a Top 40 hit. Is this a sign of a decline?
You people make it seem as if the album had fallen out of the Top 200 before she died, it had only fallen to #19. She hadn't done much promo at all. One live televised performance and a few interviews. She had so much coming. This woman died working on two music videos at once.
And you say she wasn't selling as much as the other girls well.. "AALIYAH" first week = 187,000. Brandy's "Full Moon" = 155,000. And I am not comparing these women, I love them both but I am just making sure I counter your argument by stating facts. Not to mention Brandy had a Top 10 and Top 20 single at the time of her release, unlike Aaliyah.
Aaliyah was without a doubt on the rise and thats why her death was such a tragedy because everyone saw it for her and we will always wonder "what if"
Just give credit where credit is due. Aaliyah was NOT tanking.
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I have given her her credit. All the credit she's deserved for accomplishing what she accomplished while she was still alive. But you guys can not sit here and tell us what the career paths of other stars would have looked like without it being thrown back in your faces.
Aaliyah was a rising movie star. THAT is where the hype was coming from before her death happened. It had much to little to do with her music, but more about how she was primed to start a Hollywood takeover.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by ***** of Babylon
Exactly. She'd be on Love & Hip Hop right now.
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She was JUST getting started tho. I mean she had just crossed over, had an acclaimed movie role and more lined up. I am from the Netherlands and Are You That Somebody and Try Again both peaked at 3, the album at 9. For a country like ours that does not have a big RnB audience she did really well.
Besides I learned about her death while being on a road trip and driving through eastern Germany at that time, her death was mentioned in the evening news and I later watched an MTV docu about her in Poland. It's obvious to say she on her way on becoming a big force and already well known in Europe at the time.
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It's 100% true. Matter of fact, during her time, people were scanning 5M in the US alone w/ ease and she could barely get to 2M. Brandy was slaying her in every single department yet she gets called a "flop" now. She wasn't that big and her unfortunate death changes nothing.
Her fans love to say "She was about to break out" and yet, her last album was bombing on the charts and the singles were too right before it happened.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
I have given her her credit. All the credit she's deserved for accomplishing what she accomplished while she was still alive. But you guys can not sit here and tell us what the career paths of other stars would have looked like without it being thrown back in your faces.
Aaliyah was a rising movie star. THAT is where the hype was coming from before her death happened. It had much to little to do with her music, but more about how she was primed to start a Hollywood takeover.
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Yes, a takeover in all realms. You have to remember Aaliyah did not make your traditional R&B music either. Aaliyah/Timb/Missy changed the landscape of radio with One In A Million, which took a minute to catch on. Aaliyah was not at all concerned with being the biggest selling at all, she was very content. Aaliyah only had a 7 year long career, in which 5 years of it she didn't even release an album and still came back bigger than ever.
Regardless of whether it was acting or music, she was at her peak and was doing better than ever. Now just leave it there because thats honestly where it left off. That's it.
And for everyone saying she'd end up on Love and Hip-Hop or a complete flop, you are so ill educated. Aaliyah wasn't even in a realm that would lead her there. I imagine Aaliyah, if alive today, still trying to be progressive as possible whether it was mainstream or not. Still taking chances and not regretting anything. She'd stay afloat because she'd always come back with something different.
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It happens a lot though, same happened with Amy Winehouse. Most people gave her not more than an eye roll. When she passed away she was the next coming from Christ and her artistry was undeniable for loads of people wjho would not even giver her a blink of an eye.
When someone dies tragically, while still building, people somehow feel a need to jump a bandwagon to justify in some way the fact they slept on someone when they were still alive.
This takes nothing away from who they are, or what music they created, but more or less about the fact that they get a (well deserved) pedestal for the wrong reasons, while they never got as appriciated when they were actually walking this earth.
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Member Since: 3/12/2011
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Originally posted by Priyanka Chopra
Mainstream media credits J.Lo as starting the trend in 2001, but I guess Selena did it first in a smaller scale.
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That is correct. Selena was the first. JLo credited her as the inspiration to start her own fashion ventures and launched her perfume Glo. Glo was the first celebrity perfume to sell massively. It was after she launched Glo that she launched her clothing line.
And to add to the original topic; T Pain came off as a jerk. Not to mention, Aaliyah's impact was enough to inspire him to add her on his mixtape to get more buzz . So speaking insensitively of her when he's using her is lame/wrong. We can only speak of the work she did while alive, we can't predict how far she would have gotten nor predict her success as she was on the rise when she tragically passed. That being said she did more (good) for music while alive than T-Pain; his influence on music is to add more auto tune than necessary .
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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Originally posted by YeaBey4ever
It's 100% true. Matter of fact, during her time, people were scanning 5M in the US alone w/ ease and she could barely get to 2M. Brandy was slaying her in every single department yet she gets called a "flop" now. She wasn't that big and her unfortunate death changes nothing.
Her fans love to say "She was about to break out" and yet, her last album was bombing on the charts and the singles were too right before it happened.
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None of Aaliyah's peers were scanning 5x platinum so I don't know where you got that figure from and everyone including myself have already put you all up on game on how her last album was doing good so I'm not going to repeat myself and idk why you said singles as if she had more than 1 single out when the only song that was released was WNAR but you should really take the time to research and learn about someone before you give a opinion on them because when you get the facts wrong it makes you look dumb. She was big and is big enough to still be amongst regular conversation for the past 13 years.
Brandy was slaying her but her career sales are at 8.6 million in the US and Aaliyah's is 8.2...yea she sure slayed her*sarcasm*
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
I have given her her credit. All the credit she's deserved for accomplishing what she accomplished while she was still alive. But you guys can not sit here and tell us what the career paths of other stars would have looked like without it being thrown back in your faces.
Aaliyah was a rising movie star. THAT is where the hype was coming from before her death happened. It had much to little to do with her music, but more about how she was primed to start a Hollywood takeover.
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You have been clocked up and down this thread about your incorrect information just give it up, she was still improving with her last album unlike her peers as stated by others in this thread and her 1st week sales were better than her peers other than Usher that year opening up with 210k. Her music career was being recognized and praised by all publications she was hitting her stride achieving crossover success and the fact that she was gaining popularity as an actress doesn't mean her music career would have been obsolete, I mean do ya'll really think Beyoncé is the only person that can be successful at both, wouldn't her gaining popularity due to that also gain her more fans in the process pushing her towards even greater heights musically?
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Member Since: 12/3/2010
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How would she be trying to be like Beyonce? Aaliyah was around long before Beyonce.
And as much as I like T-Pain, the fact is that ANYONE's legacy is inflated once they have died. Not just Aaliyah. The only difference is that Aaliyah is actually deserving and worthy of her legacy.
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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Its true but you shouldn't speak ill of the dead
He'll pay for this
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Member Since: 10/19/2010
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Originally posted by Flare
He spilled tea. Aaliyah was like the Tinashe of her time. Rihanna, Beyoncé and Tamar would have prospered without Aaliyah's existence. They are barely influenced by her or Edna Mode so bai!
And let's be real, Aaliyah was influenced by Mary J Blige and Snoop Dog then bit and made their style more pop and female orientated! I don't see Bey doing Snoop and Mary tributes so I don't see how influenced Bey was by Aaliyah in her solo career. Maybe in DC, Michelle or Kelly was influenced by Aaliyah and made a few songs that were Aaliyah-y.
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Member Since: 4/30/2009
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But he tried to collab with her though, lmfao.
Glad the li squad dragged him enough to the point he was shook to even use the song.
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Member Since: 11/8/2011
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He can have a seat honestly.. What will he be remembered for ?
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