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Poll: Should trans-teen be able to use girl's lockerroom?
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View Poll Results: I think that
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Yes, she identifies as a girl
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No, she still has a penis and should use the uni-sex bathroom
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
The safety of everyone matters.
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Being murdered VS feeling a little uncomfortable in the bathroom because of internalized transphobia
hm.
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Member Since: 12/15/2011
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Originally posted by KingKunta
So you are saying a man can't simply tell someone that he identifies as transgender, even when he really doesn't, put on high heels, stockings, and a wig or whatever he needs to to resemble a woman, legally go into the girl's bathroom and harm a woman or a little girl? Don't be so naive.
And like I said to the other poster what makes you think this won't happen in the future, just because you haven't heard about it. Using the "it hasn't happened so far" argument isn't going to make me or any other cis-woman feel any safer.
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well if that's the case, why hasn't it happened? there are transgender people using bathrooms of their transitioned gender all over the world and yet there's no example of psychos in thailand or india or philippines (full of trans people) pretending to be transgender women to sexually assault women
i'm not surprised it won't comfort those women because paranoia always triumphs over facts, history and logic for lots of people
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Originally posted by Ascension
Yes. It's more disruptive and possibly dangerous to have someone that identifies as and has begun changing their appearance to match their identify to be forced to use gender specific bathrooms according to their biological gender, honestly.
Honestly at first it was kind of difficult to wrap my head around the notion because of my own lack of understanding and familiarity with the issue -- I was on the side of people that pushed gender neutral restrooms for trans people, but that's a very dangerous separatist mindset that needlessly singles people out and I had to check myself because it's just wrong. The arguments that support it (perverts under the guise of being trans women trying to sneak into women's restrooms, for instance) really aren't even an issue -- no boy is going to change his entire existence for the sake of being able to go into the girls' bathrooms and see nothing but stalls and tampon dispensers  and any man that dresses up in a wig and wants to go into a bathroom isn't going to be stopped by a damn sign, even now and even so, that has nothing to do with the rights of trans women to use bathrooms specified for their identified gender. |
the bolded is not actually happening to the girl in the article
not sure if this was apparent to you/some others in here
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
The safety of everyone matters.
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this is certainly true, but cis people are historically more violent to trans people as well as amongst themselves, so it's just funny when cis people feel threatened by the very presence of a trans person as if trans women are the ones going around killing cis people willy nilly
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Originally posted by bey0nce
Oh really? Hmm that's trickier then.
In regards to the poll and her previously using a unisex bathroom I assumed it was just about using the bathroom, rather than a locker room/shower setting, since unisex locker rooms and showers aren't a thing in schools.
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Yeah my mistake. The title got to be too long. But I did copy and paste it in the OP. She's been using a unisex bathroom for faculty members but now wanted to use the girl's lockerroom, because..
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I mean, Lila's situation alone is proof of how ****** the situation is for transgender people, who in their right mind think that a guy would dress up as a girl and put his reputation at stake just for the sake of maybe catching a glance of a live boob? Please. Ridiculous.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
So you are saying a man can't simply tell someone that he identifies as transgender, even when he really doesn't, put on high heels, stockings, and a wig or whatever he needs to to resemble a woman, legally go into the girl's bathroom and harm a woman or a little girl? Don't be so naive.
And like I said to the other poster what makes you think this won't happen in the future, just because you haven't heard about it. Using the "it hasn't happened so far" argument isn't going to make me or any other cis-woman feel any safer.
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You can do all this and more without putting on any heels or wigs. Don't be so naive.
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request to use the girls bathrooms and locker rooms rather than a unisex faculty bathroom
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Unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Tymps.
Being murdered VS feeling a little uncomfortable in the bathroom because of internalized transphobia
hm.
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Women are rape and murdered just as often as trans-gendered individuals, maybe even more so. Although it's not a contest..
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Originally posted by Chax
Lila can use a uni-sex bathroom because she still has a penis and still produces a large amount of testosterone.  |
I wasted enough time trying to communicate you're clearing enjoying the swim in your own ignorance. Hope your transphobia and homophobia (since by your reasoning gay men and lesbians should use bathrooms of the other sex because sexual assault) will be healed and I wish you the best of luck 
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Originally posted by Petals
What's your point tho? Men can already enter a female bathroom with a gun, and kidnap and rape whomever he wanted.
Men can also do that in the street, in the office, and even in your own house. So don't use the "I don't feel safe" excuse because, technically, you're not safe anywhere darling.
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You people are so naive man. Those things you described are already illegal! Of course people are going to be suspicious if they see someone that is clearly a cis-man walking into the woman's restroom with a gun. Of course people are going to be suspicious if someone sees you walking into your office with a gun. But if a someone that is posing as a trans-woman walks into the girl's bathroom, where in your perfect world no one would be suspicious or concerned because it would be completely legal, and harms a woman or a little girl then what's your argument?
Seriously of course we aren't safe anywhere but don't you know to stay away from places that you know are less safe than others? When you move somewhere aren't you more than likely to move to the city where the crime rate is less? Common sense man...
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Most schools do not check for that. Why would they, unless someone brought a situation like this up? It's not required at enrollment to inform the school of your gender identity. Whether you are legally transgender or not is irrelevant.
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it's a basic requirement to fill up a form with your personal information including your name, gender, birth date, address, history etc. at schools and work. that's how you register. and i don't know how it works where you live, but they even check your address at public elementary schools here and verify the identity of the student to keep track of them
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Originally posted by Tymps.
Being murdered VS feeling a little uncomfortable in the bathroom because of internalized transphobia
hm.
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Why does it have to be transphobia? Some girls might just be penis-shy.
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Originally posted by Latch
this is certainly true, but cis people are historically more violent to trans people as well as amongst themselves, so it's just funny when cis people feel threatened by the very presence of a trans person as if trans women are the ones going around killing cis people willy nilly
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Also, where the stats on this epidemic of trans murders?
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Originally posted by B'Day
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this thread & discussion is specific to the girl in the article
I think gender neutral bathrooms are a good idea, don't get me wrong. her school have arranged that for her (which they technically don't have to do, they are going beyond to accommodate her with that which is good) but she's refusing to use it
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Originally posted by Sasha.
I mean, Lila's situation alone is proof of how ****** the situation is for transgender people, who in their right mind think that a guy would dress up as a girl and put his reputation at stake just for the sake of maybe catching a glance of a live boob? Please. Ridiculous.
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True that. Nobody forced them tho.
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Originally posted by KingKunta
You people are so naive man. Those things you described are already illegal! Of course people are going to be suspicious if they see someone that is clearly a cis-man walking into the woman's restroom with a gun. Of course people are going to be suspicious if someone sees you walking into your office with a gun. But if a someone that is posing as a trans-woman walks into the girl's bathroom, where in your perfect world no one would be suspicious or concerned because it would be completely legal, and harms a woman or a little girl then what's your argument?
Seriously of course we aren't safe anywhere but don't you know to stay away from places that you know are less safe than others? When you move somewhere aren't you more than likely to move to the city where the crime rate is less? Common sense man...
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you're still using the same argument, but you can't find any example of a man pretending to be transgender woman to enter a female bathroom in order to sexually assault a man... because you won't
your whole argument is a hypothetical situation you made up because of paranoia
and you're just going to repeat those same 2 lines over and over without an actual argument
it's like your typical "what if" scare tactics conservatives about anything like immigrants, gay people, etc
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Originally posted by hot mess
well if that's the case, why hasn't it happened? there are transgender people using bathrooms of their transitioned gender all over the world and yet there's no example of psychos in thailand or india or philippines (full of trans people) pretending to be transgender women to sexually assault women
i'm not surprised it won't comfort those women because paranoia always triumphs over facts, history and logic for lots of people
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Even though you have no idea if this has happened, because some of you have no idea if these crimes were reported or not, if you can answer the question "what makes you think it won't happen in the future" then you will have a valid point.
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Originally posted by Petals
I wasted enough time trying to communicate you're clearing enjoying the swim in your own ignorance. Hope your transphobia and homophobia (since by your reasoning gay men and lesbians should use bathrooms of the other sex because sexual assault) will be healed and I wish you the best of luck |
I never said anything about gays or lesbians using different bathrooms what are you talking about? I never mentioned anything about homosexuals in this thread once. Maybe that's why you quoted me out of the blue with your "boo :eyeroll: that made zero sense. But yeah, run away and scream transphobia and homophobia to someone who is having a debate yet has a difference of opinion. I'm a proud gay man but I guess I'm a homophobe now?
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