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Music Video: Nicki Minaj - "Only" (Lyric Video)
Member Since: 12/1/2011
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Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
How about the fact that its Remembrance day in 3 days
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You are correct, but explain to me how this directly offends and has a negative impact on those who will be remembered on Remembrance Day, please.
Again, it looks to be that she was personifying "dictatorship" and that the YM logo was placed in a red flag. Most dictatorships have logos in red flags.
I want to know how this will be directly offensive. Otherwise, you don't have much of a point.
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Originally posted by jose168
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You are missing MY POINT. My point is that she is looking to portray and personify "Dictatorship" and if that need be there is "Nazi" imagery, I understand your concern.
I challenge you to elaborate on how this will directly offend some. Other than it be a similarity to a history, and a substitution for a logo. I want to know how this will negatively impact someone other than explanation by similarity.
If that's the case then I have a lot to be offended by, and I want you to angrily fight with me for justice. LMAO.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Jae
You have GOT to be trolling. There's no way somebody can be so deluded or downright stupid enough to believe the absolute ******** in your post. Log off.
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That was her portrayal. she just displayed it in a naive offensive way.
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Originally posted by YOURsoHOODken
You are missing MY POINT. My point is that she is looking to portray and personify "Dictatorship" and if that need be there is "Nazi" imagery, I understand your concern.
I challenge you to elaborate on how this will directly offend some. Other than it be a similarity to a history, and a substitution for a logo. I want to know how this will negatively impact someone other than explanation by similarity.
If that's the case then I have a lot to be offended by, and I want you to angrily fight with me for justice. LMAO.
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It makes light of a tragic period in history in which many people alive today are still affected by. Calling herself a bad bitch while implying with said imagery that she is similar to hitler/the nazi party is offensive.. it's not complicated
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by YOURsoHOODken
You are correct, but explain to me how this directly offends and has a negative impact on those who will be remembered on Remembrance Day, please.
Again, it looks to be that she was personifying "dictatorship" and that the YM logo was placed in a red flag. Most dictatorships have logos in red flags.
I want to know how this will be directly offensive. Otherwise, you don't have much of a point.
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even alluding to the holocaust so close to such a date is at the least idiotic and distasteful
she knew EXACTLY what she was doing. i hope she gets the attention she craves
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Originally posted by jose168
It makes light of a tragic period in history in which many people alive today are still affected by. Calling herself a bad bitch while implying with said imagery that she is similar to hitler/the nazi party is offensive.. it's not complicated
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Where is she implying that she is similar to Hitler in the lyrics? If the imagery is Dictatorship-like and not blaring swastikas then it is not implying what you previously said.
The tragic part of that time was the holocaust, not the military parades. The military tactics of the Nazis have been revered by many military strategists and historians. If anything it is a collective piece to imply that they "Only" f*** with "such and such" and that they are supreme, and they are comparable to a well strategically-planned military.
I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced by your statement that this is at all offensive to some. Especially given their is no tie in to the mass killing of Jews in this video, and that the complete imagery has not been duplicated in such as the time frame.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
even alluding to the holocaust so close to such a date is at the least idiotic and distasteful
she knew EXACTLY what she was doing. i hope she gets the attention she craves
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First of all, she has eluded to a Military Parade in the video, not the mass killings of Jews.
Please elaborate on what is idiotic and distasteful on her display of likeness of a dictatorship's military parade.
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Originally posted by YOURsoHOODken
Where is she implying that she is similar to Hitler in the lyrics? If the imagery is Dictatorship-like and not blaring swastikas then it is not implying what you previously said.
The tragic part of that time was the holocaust, not the military parades. The military tactics of the Nazis have been revered by many military strategists and historians. If anything it is a collective piece to imply that they "Only" f*** with "such and such" and that they are supreme, and they are comparable to a well strategically-planned military.
I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced by your statement that this is at all offensive to some. Especially given their is no tie in to the mass killing of Jews in this video, and that the complete imagery has not been duplicated in such as the time frame.
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so your argument is basically a long drawn out version of "I can't hear you lalalalala"
The gas masks imply enough for me. And it doesn't matter if youre convinced or not. Some people will be offended by this, and thats enough to admit its a bad idea. It doesn't matter what the original intent or inspiration of the video was, the point is the impact it has is negative.
And yes, the video has nothing to do with the song which makes it even more distasteful to even go there, what a desperate attention seeking video.
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I got Killzone 3 teas from the video. It's just a war-themed video...
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Originally posted by YOURsoHOODken
You are correct, but explain to me how this directly offends and has a negative impact on those who will be remembered on Remembrance Day, please.
Again, it looks to be that she was personifying "dictatorship" and that the YM logo was placed in a red flag. Most dictatorships have logos in red flags.
I want to know how this will be directly offensive. Otherwise, you don't have much of a point.
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the fact that people are so far removed from WWII history/so ignorant about those hardships that they would casually use it as a theme for something so stupid... the fact that anyone would want to be compared to hitler as a cute or fun way to show that they're the boss... imo that spits on the grave of those who fought to end and had to endure his wrath. it's disgusting honestly.
this is one of those moments in time that should never be forgotten or disrespected. considering that Jews, homosexuals, people of color, and more were targeted by hitler. like. he was the cause of some of the most atrocious crimes against humanity EVER. this isn't material any artist should be using for fun
that's pretty disrespectful imo.
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Originally posted by jose168
so your argument is basically a long drawn out version of "I can't hear you lalalalala"
The gas masks imply enough for me. And it doesn't matter if youre convinced or not. Some people will be offended by this, and thats enough to admit its a bad idea. It doesn't matter what the original intent or inspiration of the video was, the point is the impact it has is negative.
And yes, the video has nothing to do with the song which makes it even more distasteful to even go there, what a desperate attention seeking video.
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It does matter what the intent is! If the intent does not translate what you claim it does from the visual then you are not truly offended by the visual, just an idea of what her intent is. Which is a personal problem, more so than a problem with her imagery. Intent becomes are, given it's the basis of why the image can be presented. If you cannot validly say that her imagery is offensive and (logically, not emotionally or to what you feel) why, then you have no point. As well if you cannot validly prove her intent was to offend and that the imagery's intent was to mimic NAZI GERMANY to offend (which I can't see how), then you have no point.
It does matter if your argument is persuadable or not, given if it's not (which it isn't) then there should be no one able to agree with being "so offended" as you are.
You have yet to explain other than you linking images to a certain time and what you interpret (which isn't a logical interpretation, given you can;t explain your thoughts thoroughly) what is offensive about the images, still.
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Originally posted by YOURsoHOODken
It does matter what the intent is! If the intent does not translate what you claim it does from the visual then you are not truly offended by the visual, just an idea of what her intent is. Which is a personal problem, more so than a problem with her imagery. Intent becomes are, given it's the basis of why the image can be presented. If you cannot validly say that her imagery is offensive and (logically, not emotionally or to what you feel) why, then you have no point. As well if you cannot validly prove her intent was to offend and that the imagery's intent was to mimic NAZI GERMANY to offend (which I can't see how), then you have no point.
It does matter if your argument is persuadable or not, given if it's not (which it isn't) then there should be no one able to agree with being "so offended" as you are.
You have yet to explain other than you linking images to a certain time and what you interpret (which isn't a logical interpretation, given you can;t explain your thoughts thoroughly) what is offensive about the images, still.
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http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ent-vs-impact/
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
the fact that people are so far removed from WWII history/so ignorant about those hardships that they would casually use it as a theme for something so stupid... the fact that anyone would want to be compared to hitler as a cute or fun way to show that they're the boss... imo that spits on the grave of those who fought to end and had to endure his wrath. it's disgusting honestly.
this is one of those moments in time that should never be forgotten or disrespected. considering that Jews, homosexuals, people of color, and more were targeted by hitler. like. he was the cause of some of the most atrocious crimes against humanity EVER. this isn't material any artist should be using for fun
that's pretty disrespectful imo.
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I respect your opinion. However, I cannot help but to explain that my interpretation is not that she wants to personify Hitler. I am unable to see that she is personifying Hitler in the imagery, given there is no exact symbols that link.
I guess the argument on symbols is subjective, but SYMBOLS are not colors and actual garments. If that's the case then all dictatorship military wear should offend you, in my opinion.
However these hardships you speak of were not displayed. The only imagery I see that is in likeness is the military parade, which all countries actually participate actively in, as a show of infantries and their strength,
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Guys, there are gas masks in the video. That is not just generic 'military imagery'. Be offended or don't, that's really your prerogative, but don't deny what's clearly in front of you.
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Originally posted by jose168
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The fact that I respect your argument on "Intent and.. ", however the imagery is not alone offensive because YOU say it is. I have asked you several times to explain, thoughtfully and not emotionally what IMPACT does this imagery have on you. You related the imagery to something outside of what IT MAY have been personifying and portraying, which has nothing to do with your argument that it is offensive, in the least.
Though the imagery is LIKE, it is not the same, it does not include any depictions of mass killings, nor struggle and strife.
The motif of the video is portraying a dictatorship. Nicki's portion is portraying MILITARY STRENGTH, which elaborates more so into art, (which hasn't been discussed at all in this thread) given this bias argument of offense has taken over. Good day.
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Originally posted by Diar7
I got Killzone 3 teas from the video. It's just a war-themed video...
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EXACTLY. A war themed video that as well has many other deep meanings in it! Thank you!
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Originally posted by Mrs. Aaron Paul
Guys, there are gas masks in the video. That is not just generic 'military imagery'. Be offended or don't, that's really your prerogative, but don't deny what's clearly in front of you.
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Gas masks are used in the military, therefore it can be used as military imagery. Gas masks have been used in almost all modern well known militairy across the globe..
And it isn't up to you to decide what is "generic" imagery or not, if that's the case I could rip apart a lot of entertainment moves and videos for the songs..
It isn't a "prerogative" do not insult intelligence, it is a logical decision. Do not make decisions about art with emotion, let's dig in and see what is being portrayed here.
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Originally posted by jose168
The gas masks imply enough for me. And it doesn't matter if youre convinced or not. Some people will be offended by this, and thats enough to admit its a bad idea. It doesn't matter what the original intent or inspiration of the video was, the point is the impact it has is negative.
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Exactly.
The only message that matters is the message received. And if people are joining the dots together and getting a Nazi image (like the majority of ATRLers and viewers are), then the fault lies with the video and the failure of it to portray the message it intended.
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so what I'm getting here is if Iggy Azalea decide to dress as a KKK ghost for her next video as long as there was no actually depictions of black people being hung in trees, set on fire etc. you'd be cool with that.
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Originally posted by YOURsoHOODken
EXACTLY. A war themed video that as well has many other deep meanings in it! Thank you!
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which is also clearly Nazi themed
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