[Deuces]

Originally posted by Alejandrо

That most guys are straight.

This tbh. I can deal with all that other prejudice bullcrap, but I can't deal with the limited selection.

[ezra]

Originally posted by cloudinthesky

This post is so full of stereotypes, I don't even know how to begin.

I'm a non-feminine guy as well, but whose place is it to say that feminine gays are not "normal guys"? I've seen straight men that act more feminine than some masculine (and even feminine) gays I know. So are those straight men not "normal guys"? The fact that masculine is seen as the proper, and only way that a man should act is problematic in itself. I have feminine gay friends who do not act like drama queens, do not dress in drag, do not exaggerate a lot and they even enjoy being aggressive at times. Just accept that that's how some guys are. They can't help it, just like you can't help being masculine because that's how you are.

Whether you want to admit it or not, there IS a problem when our marginalized community makes it a point to marginalize another subset of people within our own community. When you say you don't like them as people, you do realize you're doing the exact same thing that straight people do to gays right?

Most don't. That's the weirdest part, too. Gay guys of all stripes spend their whole lives being oppressed but can't see it when they're the ones doing it.

[MonsterMosama]

Being arab & gay is psychotic as ****. I grew up being told that gay people are stoned to death so if I were to ever admit I was gay I would be taken back to our old country & stoned to death. Coming out to my homophobic parents isn't even an option unless I want to die and I hate that people aren't so understanding about that because their parents were so much easier about it they don't understand that there are still close minded traditional people out there.

Being asked if I have a girlfriend when I am clearly gay as ****. The 'MASCULINE ONLY!' **** is really annoying and needs to stop its just as bad as people asking for whites only do not degrade entire groups of people because of your personal preferences please keep it cute.

[I Am Music]

Originally posted by pinktennisfreak

Completely agree.

I agree with the link you posted and was about to post it myself.
The internet has neutered the way we interact with each other making it easier to avoid all kinds of people.

[BadMonster]

Originally posted by cloudinthesky

This post is so full of stereotypes, I don't even know how to begin.

I'm a non-feminine guy as well, but whose place is it to say that feminine gays are not "normal guys"? I've seen straight men that act more feminine than some masculine (and even feminine) gays I know. So are those straight men not "normal guys"? The fact that masculine is seen as the proper, and only way that a man should act is problematic in itself. I have feminine gay friends who do not act like drama queens, do not dress in drag, do not exaggerate a lot and they even enjoy being aggressive at times. Just accept that that's how some guys are. They can't help it, just like you can't help being masculine because that's how you are.

Whether you want to admit it or not, there IS a problem when our marginalized community makes it a point to marginalize another subset of people within our own community. When you say you don't like them as people, you do realize you're doing the exact same thing that straight people do to gays right?

I said it is not normal for a guy to act feminine, which you admit is not... it is not THE NORM, which is what normal means..I never said masculine is proper.. I also don't have a problem with them acting like that, I just don't like hanging out with them cuz they draw way too much attention to themselves.. I don't like hanging out with straight girls or guys who find it necessary to draw all the attention to them... What is more is that I think we have a different definition of what feminine gays are...

Originally posted by ezra.jones

Most don't. That's the weirdest part, too. Gay guys of all stripes spend their whole lives being oppressed but can't see it when they're the ones doing it.

Except I don't do that... They can be whoever they wanna be, but they cannot force me to like them or hang out with them and neither can people who don't have humour, people who picks fights in bars, other people who find it necessary to draw all the attention towards them when they are somewhere, people who are rude, etc. There's nothing wrong with that

[Guero]

Originally posted by jayyyxtee

Let's ask this question

Why do gays have such low self esteem?

I hope this thread doesn't get closed its nice to see a place where people are having legit and mature discussion

Gays aren't the only ones with low self-esteem.

[BlooRiverAnimal]

Originally posted by Deuces

This tbh. I can deal with all that other prejudice bullcrap, but I can't deal with the limited selection.

Yea, I can deal as well. Also, just a guy in general. Like, all the guys I date are so extra.

[jayyyxtee]

Originally posted by Guero

Gays aren't the only ones with low self-esteem.

Obviously

[getback]

yes, it's hard

[Aphrodite]

That some people still have a hard time respecting you, and that you can't go out with your guy holding hands and being happy without someone giving weird looks, even in a respective country.

And worst of all, the people thinking you decided to be gay. I lose braincells.

I'm not bothered by the religious BS though.

[Ramcoro]

There are a lot.

Either constantly having to come out or the internalized homophobia in many gay/bi guys.

[Guero]

Originally posted by jayyyxtee

Obviously

It mostly comes from within the gay community, IMO.

From my experience, gays tend to be so catty with other gays - for no particular reason. It's kind of unfortunate that we don't want heterosexuals to judge us based on who we love but can be so judgmental to one another.

[Haunter]

Originally posted by ForeverNow90

My friend and I were talking about it the other day how society has kinda labelled being gay as a "white thing" (at least where I'm from). I think its much more difficult for black people to come out as gay because our parents are not well informed about it hence so many young black men follow the wrong path or end up marrying women.

Not saying its easy for white men to come out, just saying that its much more difficult for black men.

So true, black gays are always seen as drag queens, drama queens, or thugs. There is usually never any masculine black gay guys on TV.

[Green]

Originally posted by Golden

Not being able to be yourself around others who you love but you know they won't accept you

Basically.

[I Am Music]

Originally posted by Borntodiethisway

So true, black gays are always seen as drag queens, drama queens, or thugs. There is usually never any masculine black gay guys on TV.

Mainstream media and gay media is run by white men so of course you wont see proper representation. I like queer as folk but there was hardly any gay men of color and the show takes place in Pittsburgh

[Ramcoro]

Oh and the top/bottom complex we put on ourselves. I'm more "feminine" but I'm a complete top, which causes probls on first dates.

[ezra]

Originally posted by I Am Music

Mainstream media and gay media is run by white men so of course you wont see proper representation. I like queer as folk but there was hardly any gay men of color and the show takes place in Pittsburgh

the gay community today is like an inception of guilt and shame, wrapped in sexism and sprinkled with racism and self-hate. it's the pits basically.

[BadMonster]

Originally posted by ezra.jones

the gay community today is like an inception of guilt and shame, wrapped in sexism and sprinkled with racism and self-hate. it's the pits basically.

Might explain why most gays are so promiscuous and most of the time either look for one night stands or eventually cheat when in a relationship

[Deuces]

Originally posted by ezra.jones

the gay community today is like an inception of guilt and shame, wrapped in sexism and sprinkled with racism and self-hate. it's the pits basically.

Omg.

[I Am Music]

Originally posted by ezra.jones

the gay community today is like an inception of guilt and shame, wrapped in sexism and sprinkled with racism and self-hate. it's the pits basically.

Which is why you have some gays who don't partake in the "community" and do their own thing much happier that way.