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Discussion: Why is Rihanna criticized for not songwriting or producing?
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Originally posted by lonnie
You do realize Rihanna was almost dropped by her label twice? Or that she lacked funding from her label fir numerous things including the S.O.S video which was financed by a completely different company as an endorsement or that she had to personally finance the Disturbia video? Oh wait, no you don't know ****, all you know is what your preconceived notions on Rihanna are period. You'd think you're Jay Brown the way you're going about her team
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And? Every artist have mishaps with their team. At the end of the day, she wouldn't be where she is without them.
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Originally posted by GanjaSebert
Every major singer has some talent. The one's who can't dance or play an instrument like Adele and Lorde, make up for totally with their song writing and voice. Rihanna can't do any of these except hold a weak note.
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The gist of it the navy can keep taking shots at everyone in the end she is not a writer dancer or a great singer she has a great team and a lot to thank them for if not everything .
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Originally posted by Simplyvirtue
Like I said wtf is the point of mentioning Bey! DEAD at you acting like the girl has 0 tho
and maybe i should be clear! when you DO POP MUSIC #1's are easily attained! tell me the last time a RandB song went #1! ill wait..
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RTW
XO
Pretty Hurts
Halo
Sweet Dreams
Telephone
Videophone
Pop songs by Bey that didn't go number one, mess at you trying to clutch to R&B as an excuse when was the last time she released an R&B single?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by lonnie
You do realize Rihanna was almost dropped by her label twice? Or that she lacked funding from her label fir numerous things including the S.O.S video which was financed by a completely different company as an endorsement or that she had to personally finance the Disturbia video? Oh wait, no you don't know ****, all you know is what your preconceived notions on Rihanna are period. You'd think you're Jay Brown the way you're going about her team
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Because you're an industry expert
Are you saying that Rihanna would have got to where she is now without her team?
You were the one saying "oh Rihanna's the exec producer, she writes and makes her own decisions".
Yet I posted 6 demos (and there are more) where she has changed nothing at all. Lmao.
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I guess her music doesn't sound that personal as some people would wish for.
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Member Since: 3/3/2014
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Originally posted by lonnie
RTW
XO
Pretty Hurts
Halo
Sweet Dreams
Telephone
Videophone
Pop songs by Bey that didn't go number one, mess at you trying to clutch to R&B as an excuse when was the last time she released an R&B single?
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and only 2 of those are her FIRST single! hun I'm not trying to clutch to no r and b. But lets be real 4 out of 5 beys #1's are r and b. and boo you can meet me in the SYG thread
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Originally posted by moijejoue
Well thats funny cuz I don't Stan for anyone, not even Beyonce herself. And my statement is not ignorant or misinformed, it's common sense.
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I was addressing the "haters" and you responded. Well then.
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Originally posted by lonnie
Yes so easy to get a number one yet, Obama assumed office and got re-elected and Bey doesn't have a number one yet, Osama was killed, The royal wedding happened and a riyal child has been born she doesn't have a number one yet, Michael and Whitney died and Ellen Page came out and Kim Kardashian got married thrice and divorced twice and she still doesn't have a number one, yeah you're right it's all so very easy
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Kiiii. .swishes hair and walks out
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Originally posted by wesleywalrus
Because when you don't songwrite or produce you're a singer NOT an artist. Rihanna is just a singer. There's nothing more. That's why she's criticized.
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So an opera singer like Maria Callas or jazz singer like Ella Fitzgerald are not artists?
Monsters
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Originally posted by moijejoue
And? Every artist have mishaps with their team. At the end of the day, she wouldn't be where she is without them.
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Neither would any of these pop girls except perhaps Adele or Amy Winehouse. Otherwise all pop girls have teams of producers, sound engineers, songwriters for some unless all songs are solo written, stylists, publicists, directors for their videos.
All these popular artists do the same thing, Rihanna just like everyone else has a team. You're deluded if you think the rest of the pop girls do everything for themselves.
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Originally posted by Zack
Because you're an industry expert
Are you saying that Rihanna would have got to where she is now without her team?
You were the one saying "oh Rihanna's the exec producer, she writes and makes her own decisions".
Yet I posted 6 demos (and there are more) where she has changed nothing at all. Lmao.
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But my question to you is, who wouldn't have got where they were WITHOUT the team around them? Name one modern pop star. Just one. I'll wait.
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Originally posted by lonnie
Neither would any of these pop girls except perhaps Beyoncé Adele or Amy Winehouse. Otherwise all pop girls have teams of producers, sound engineers, songwriters for some unless all songs are solo written, stylists, publicists, directors for their videos.
All these popular artists do the same thing, Rihanna just like everyone else has a team. You're deluded if you think the rest of the pop girls do everything for themselves.
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FIXED! and you welcome
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Originally posted by Drayb
But my question to you is, who wouldn't have got where they were WITHOUT the team around them? Name one modern pop star. Just one. I'll wait.
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If you have to ask questions like that, I'd be questioning your own reading comprehension first.
I'm the one emphasizing the importance of her team. It's these others that are trying to say that Rihanna's team is not a factor in her success, when clearly it is.
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Originally posted by lonnie
Neither would any of these pop girls except perhaps Adele or Amy Winehouse. Otherwise all pop girls have teams of producers, sound engineers, songwriters for some unless all songs are solo written, stylists, publicists, directors for their videos.
All these popular artists do the same thing, Rihanna just like everyone else has a team. You're deluded if you think the rest of the pop girls do everything for themselves.
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Do I have to repeat myself again? Alot these other pop girls actually have some form off raw talent to fall back on thus they are capable of contributing something to their music. Rihanna career is almost pure marketing. Don't got the voice or performance skills? Let's get shove her bad girl persona down the GPs throats.
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Originally posted by Zack
If you have to ask questions like that, I'd be questioning your own reading comprehension first.
I'm the one emphasizing the importance of her team. It's these others that are trying to say that Rihanna's team is not a factor in her success, when clearly it is.
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Clock these gerls!!!!
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Originally posted by Zack
Because you're an industry expert
Are you saying that Rihanna would have got to where she is now without her team?
You were the one saying "oh Rihanna's the exec producer, she writes and makes her own decisions".
Yet I posted 6 demos (and there are more) where she has changed nothing at all. Lmao.
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She makes her decisions and a few demos posted doesn't change that. So she decided not to change a thing from the song, doesn't change she's been the executive producer on all her albums since LOUD.
You tried to point out she's only successful because of her team when everyone else has a team, you asked for writing credits and you were given, not my fault you're pressed and keep showcasing so in each and every post ever since that Paris post
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Member Since: 3/3/2014
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Originally posted by lonnie
She makes her decisions and a few demos posted doesn't change that. So she decided not to change a thing from the song, doesn't change she's been the executive producer on all her albums since LOUD.
You tried to point out she's only successful because of her team when everyone else has a team, you asked for writing credits and you were given, not my fault you're pressed and keep showcasing so in each and every post ever since that Paris post
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TBH im not surprised she hasn't been a EP since MOTS! since she has that deal TLC used to have where she has to pay the label back for EVERYYYYTHHHINNG!
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Oh, I do struggle to come up with something Rihanna will be remembered for. Basically every huge industry icon has some kind of standout talent. No, not beauty of the ability to pick hit songs, but an actual talent. Singing, writing, performance capability, etc. Rihanna doesn't stand out in any of those categories.
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WHET? You've got to be joking. If that is the case, what will your fave be remembered for quite honstly?--Singing--she's not Whitney nor Mariah; Dancing--she's not Janet nor Ciara not even Aaliyah; Writing and Songwriting--Sia she is not. So what has she done really to make you so arrogant in your statement about Rihanna not standing out?
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Originally posted by moijejoue
Do I have to repeat myself again? Alot these other pop girls actually have some form off raw talent to fall back on thus they are capable of contributing something to their music. Rihanna career is almost pure marketing. Don't got the voice or performance skills? Let's get shove her bad girl persona down the GPs throats.
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You're entitled to your own opinion I guess. You said she won't be successful without her team and I pointed out that neither would the others, what's so complicated?
In your opinion the other girls have talent to fall back on and I think Rih does too but as I said you're entitled to your own opinion
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